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    No sugar, salt, fat.. Is that food?

    Hello, foo's. Skip to Important bit to skip all the boring stuff.

    I've yet to properly introduce myself; I'm Maxime, French as it gets with some knowledge of the good ol' English. I'm 22, living in the vicinity of Montréal, Québec. The rest is way too personal to put on here.

    Alright boring part's over, actually no wait it's just starting. Here's the thing. I've had to bring my mom to the hospital, last Thursday, she has never been a complainer but came to me complaining about steep pain in the stomach and back in the heart area. I didn't mess around second guessing and just had the DR take care of her. Guess that was a good call, since it was indeed an myocardial infarction. She's since then had exams that successfully removed the two clots she had.

    Fast forward to today, after many exams, they found she had acute cholecystitis which they think caused the infarction. That's good, since we all though it was cancer due to her smoking, but apparently this is not nearly as bad.

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    Anyway yesterday she was fine and dandy until they gave her the wrong diet which had fat, salt as well as sugar.. She shortly thereafter was in pain and had two arrhythmia attacks, she also had a steep pain in her gall bladder area. Since then, we've came to the realization that her whole diet is going to suck on top of her having to stop smoking.

    Do you guys have any idea for food? I'll have to make most of it since she's rather flimsy right now, so nothing too complication would be swell.

    Take care guys.

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    Ok, you mom had a heart attack and now had spells of irregular heartbeat. Sorry to hear and hope all goes well.

    I'd say dietary restrictions would be in order... especially the salt and fat. Sugar shouldn't be a problem unless there are signs of diabetes, tho' I'm no doctor... but I did stay at a Red Roof Inn

    I'm a smoker, so I empathize with her. Personally, I wouldn't quit. Actually, I haven't, even after being diagnosed w/ Leukemia. "From my cold dead hands"

    As far as a diet goes and what meals would fit the order, I'd suggest you talk to a local nutritionist, health food store, or hospital community service program. Then there is always Google..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stacey
    Ok, you mom had a heart attack and now had spells of irregular heartbeat. Sorry to hear and hope all goes well.
    Thanks, but those are side effects of the acute cholecystitis.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stacey
    I'd say dietary restrictions would be in order... especially the salt and fat. Sugar shouldn't be a problem unless there are signs of diabetes, tho' I'm no doctor... but I did stay at a Red Roof Inn
    Not only in order but required, she cannot tolerate (due to her acute cholecystitis) any fat, salt or sugar. her gall bladder is not processing the food properly. (Excuse my vulgarization, that's how I understand it.)
    Quote Originally Posted by Stacey
    I'm a smoker, so I empathize with her. Personally, I wouldn't quit. Actually, I haven't, even after being diagnosed w/ Leukemia. "From my cold dead hands"
    Actually, I am empathic as well, I stopped cold turkey 2 years ago, but it was on my own will. We are encouraging her in this but it's her decision for the most part.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stacey
    As far as a diet goes and what meals would fit the order, I'd suggest you talk to a local nutritionist, health food store, or hospital community service program. Then there is always Google..
    Yeah, only thing is after going through all that (I have) I have yet to find any 'recipes' per se, they merely tell what she can (actually mostly what she cannot) eat. Flipping through thousands of heart association-approved recipes only to find 90% of them have salt or fat is a huge waste of time.

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    Non Tribuo Anus Rodentum and off to the next adventure (RIP) Stacey's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by iNewton
    Yeah, only thing is after going through all that (I have) I have yet to find any 'recipes' per se, they merely tell what she can (actually mostly what she cannot) eat. Flipping through thousands of heart association-approved recipes only to find 90% of them have salt or fat is a huge waste of time.

    How are your culinary skills? Can you look at a list of potential ingredents and come up with a meal that not only meets the dietary requiremtnts and is pleasing to the eye and pallate? I'm not talking gormet cooking either.

    There are many substitutes available, there's Smart Balance, a butter alternate that not only tastes remarkably like butter but actually cooks like it too. I've used various 'fake butter' over the years, but none have been able to do the role in cooking that Smart Balance does. There are salt substitutes, Morton even makes one. My housemate is diabetic, she uses Equal as a sugar substitute.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stacey
    How are your culinary skills? Can you look at a list of potential ingredents and come up with a meal that not only meets the dietary requiremtnts and is pleasing to the eye and pallate? I'm not talking gormet cooking either.
    My culinary skills could be resumed by 'basic' I make do with what I got, however. I find it tricky from a list of ingredients to make something 'good' to taste but I certainly can make it healthy. I'll look at smart balance.. Thanks.

    Fake edit: 5g of fat and 90mg of sodium per table spoon.

    This will suck so bad, holy hell.

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    Talk to a nutritionist and/or dietician. They'll be able to help you and your mom find out just what she can and can't eat. Heck, you might even be able to get some recipes from them!
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    There's hope!

    I really hope the nutritionist and/or dietician will help us out.

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    Sounds like what your mom needs is a diet based on fresh, unprocessed foods which would be mostly vegetables and some whole grains. Check w/ a dietician and nutritionist since many fruits and some vegetables contain sugars and have different glycemic indices. You need to know what kind of sugar to avoid. Same w/ some fruits and vegetables that are high in fat like avocados and coconuts. Once you know what you can eat, it becomes a matter of having some fun w/ it. Veggie stirfrys seasoned w/ herbs and spices, brown rice scented w/ saffron, vegetable curries, etc. If your mom can eat lean meats like chicken and turkey breast, feel free to add those to the mix along w/ tofu, etc.

    The lack of salt will make the meals seem bland for the first couple weeks, but after that, your taste buds get used to it and adjust. Be prepared to hear a lot of complaining about tasteless food and just reassure her that her palate will adjust.
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    Try some vegetarian cookbooks-- like the Greens Cookbook or Fields of Greens. They're pretty low fat and salt to start with, and you can always reduce any fats and salt that are in them and still have tasty food.
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    I'll have to ask the nutritionist but perhaps I could make my own celery salt (with no salt added, commercial ones add a lot of salt to the mix), may taste a bit blend but not nearly as blend as nothing at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by jyossarian
    The lack of salt will make the meals seem bland for the first couple weeks, but after that, your taste buds get used to it and adjust. Be prepared to hear a lot of complaining about tasteless food and just reassure her that her palate will adjust.
    Yeah, at least she wont be alone in this, I'll eat the same thing so she don't feel like she's the only one suffering.

    Good call on the adaptation, I'll let her know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iNewton
    I'll have to ask the nutritionist but perhaps I could make my own celery salt (with no salt added, commercial ones add a lot of salt to the mix), may taste a bit blend but not nearly as blend as nothing at all.


    Yeah, at least she wont be alone in this, I'll eat the same thing so she don't feel like she's the only one suffering.

    Good call on the adaptation, I'll let her know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stacey
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    +1 - Several good flavors!!
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    Senior Member iNewton's Avatar
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    I know it's annoying but eh at least I'm trying.

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    I don't know anything about salt, sugar, or fat, but my name is Maxime too

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    Senior Member iNewton's Avatar
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    Whoa, first American I've heard of with the same name as I.

    Does people call you Maxim-Ee? I hated that during my trip there.

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    Yes they do. My parents are Russian, but they named me Maxime.
    People call me Maxim-eeee or Maxim, but lately I've been telling them to just call me Max.

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    Can she not eat ANY kind of fat, or it it just animal fat? If its just animal fat, then she still has a world of delicious flavors for her. Can she eat sea vegetables? Dulse flakes are a wonderful alternative to salt, and very nutritious too! And for the sugar, is it just refined sugar, or a certain kind that she can't have? There are still a lot of great foods out there that she can eat. And it will probably be hard at first, but her tastebuds will adapt and she will learn to like those foods.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadiyah
    Can she not eat ANY kind of fat, or it it just animal fat? If its just animal fat, then she still has a world of delicious flavors for her.
    I believe (It'll be clear whenever we get to see a nutritionist I suppose) the idea is that she can't eat anything that need bile to be digested.

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    Sounds like a fat restricted diet. Too much and she'll be in the bathroom a lot. Basically, use as little oil as possible. Most foods, even veggies, have oil in them. The trick is not to add more fat and oil than she can comfortably handle. Maybe brush the pan w/ olive oil rather than pour in the usual amount. Or use PAM.
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    Sugar and Fat I could live without pretty easily. I am a very capable cook. However salt, while things might have good flavour, without salt the flavour can't pop.

    Luckily my fiance is on a very very restricted diet (more on the processed foods side, she can still have natural foods like unprocessed pastas and wheat free, dairy free flavour free bread), but she was salt deprived....ironically she can't have sugar (pastry chef) or tomatoes (italian cook) so I get stuck with a lot of oil based pastas...which I hate.

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