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Old 03-19-07, 03:37 PM   #1
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Could I bargain with the school?

Our school (maybe this is normal, I don't know) has these events once per semester called pep rallies. Basically, it's to raise school spirit and release energy. They crowd 1800 kids into a gymnasium, they bring out the marching band and play similar school spirit related games. Then, they scream. They encourage everybody to scream and chant and have the grades compete.
Hmm.... Just the kind of thing I absolutely hate! I went once in Freshmen year, I had a head ache and felt the need for ear plugs. I learned.
So, since then, I have always made it a point to have an 'orthodontist appointment' and abandon the school an hour early.

Here is something I always found amusing:
About 5 minutes before the pep rally begins, teachers literally start patrolling the hallways and the school perimeter to check for students trying to leave. If you have students trying to pull a great escape, so much so that you have about 50 teachers assigned patrol duty, perhaps it is indicative of the quality of these biannual events.

Anyways, my parents never have any issue excusing me that period, so I am off the hook. I told them I was going to be leaving early on Thursday (the latest pep rally), they were fine with that. So Thursday rolls around, I leave shortly before the pep rally (last period of hte day) and get into my getaway vehicle. I then realize, I completely forgot to have my parents call in and excuse this

So today comes about, and my history teacher asks me where I was on thursday. I have history during the period we would have had a pep rally. My teacher does not like me, he has plainly admitted this infront of the class and to myself in private. So he tells me to see him after class. He asks me where I was, informs me that my absence is not excused. I tell him I had to leave early. He tells me "you cut my class, this is a cut". I tell him I didn't cut his class, I cut a pep rally. We don't learn about history during a pep rally....
He tells me that the last period of the day actually met for five minutes before the pep rally. I tell him I am sorry and did not know, and he says quote "I am writing you up, I don't appreciate the extra work". I tell him I can have my parents call it in and he tells me that won't work. I don't think he even really cares, I think he's bored. So I tell him okay, have a great afternoon, and leave. Politely, but candidly.

ANyways, typically a cut for one period means an A.S.I., which is when you stay after for 1.5 hours in some room with a teacher frowning at you. I don't really want to do this. But I was just thinking, might the school bargain with me? I feel that I made up this "cut" the very next day. THe very next day was a teachers workshop, basically a day off for all students. THe school had requested that I come in that day and represent the school in front of the chamber of commerce. So, at 7:15 on my day off I come into the school for 2 hours and speak to the Chamber of Commerce about how a certain program has been beneficial, and answered questions. I feel that this makes up for any wrong doing prior. Do you think this might work?

The funny thing is, people who went to the pep rally tell me they had only 40-50 seniors actually attend. My senior class is 397....
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Old 03-19-07, 03:52 PM   #2
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That's dumb. Have your parents call the school, or just do your time and laugh at their ridiculous rules.
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Old 03-19-07, 03:53 PM   #3
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what's your point...complaining in the innernet won't solve anything
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Do your 1.5 with pep. Don't let the peppy people get you down man. Don't they make terrible coming of age films about this?
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not even gonna read the first sentence. all i can say is nooo wayyy merton
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Haha, yeah, pep rallies were gay. But I usually went to them anyway. They always had really stupid games, usually involving toilet paper and/or marshmallows. And sometimes you would get to throw pies at the teachers. But I did cut out on a few pep rallies. Our school was small, so no one really cared. I could just walk out the doors and the only thing the teachers would say to me was "goodbye".
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Our school (maybe this is normal, I don't know) has these events once per semester called pep rallies. Basically, it's to raise school spirit and release energy. They crowd 1800 kids into a gymnasium, they bring out the marching band and play similar school spirit related games. Then, they scream. They encourage everybody to scream and chant and have the grades compete.
Hmm.... Just the kind of thing I absolutely hate! I went once in Freshmen year, I had a head ache and felt the need for ear plugs. I learned.
So, since then, I have always made it a point to have an 'orthodontist appointment' and abandon the school an hour early.

Here is something I always found amusing:
About 5 minutes before the pep rally begins, teachers literally start patrolling the hallways and the school perimeter to check for students trying to leave. If you have students trying to pull a great escape, so much so that you have about 50 teachers assigned patrol duty, perhaps it is indicative of the quality of these biannual events.

Anyways, my parents never have any issue excusing me that period, so I am off the hook. I told them I was going to be leaving early on Thursday (the latest pep rally), they were fine with that. So Thursday rolls around, I leave shortly before the pep rally (last period of hte day) and get into my getaway vehicle. I then realize, I completely forgot to have my parents call in and excuse this

So today comes about, and my history teacher asks me where I was on thursday. I have history during the period we would have had a pep rally. My teacher does not like me, he has plainly admitted this infront of the class and to myself in private. So he tells me to see him after class. He asks me where I was, informs me that my absence is not excused. I tell him I had to leave early. He tells me "you cut my class, this is a cut". I tell him I didn't cut his class, I cut a pep rally. We don't learn about history during a pep rally....
He tells me that the last period of the day actually met for five minutes before the pep rally. I tell him I am sorry and did not know, and he says quote "I am writing you up, I don't appreciate the extra work". I tell him I can have my parents call it in and he tells me that won't work. I don't think he even really cares, I think he's bored. So I tell him okay, have a great afternoon, and leave. Politely, but candidly.

ANyways, typically a cut for one period means an A.S.I., which is when you stay after for 1.5 hours in some room with a teacher frowning at you. I don't really want to do this. But I was just thinking, might the school bargain with me? I feel that I made up this "cut" the very next day. THe very next day was a teachers workshop, basically a day off for all students. THe school had requested that I come in that day and represent the school in front of the chamber of commerce. So, at 7:15 on my day off I come into the school for 2 hours and speak to the Chamber of Commerce about how a certain program has been beneficial, and answered questions. I feel that this makes up for any wrong doing prior. Do you think this might work?

The funny thing is, people who went to the pep rally tell me they had only 40-50 seniors actually attend. My senior class is 397....
That is weird i think your teacher did that on purpose beucase of his personal thoughts of you and what he thinks of you good or bad should noy be involved in how to grade or punish a student.
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That is weird i think your teacher did that on purpose beucase of his personal thoughts of you and what he thinks of you good or bad should noy be involved in how to grade or punish a student.
Like I said, I think he is bored
Honestly, I don't think he gives a damn. He hates these things, it's pretty obvious. I suspect some of it is "If I have to suffer, so do you". I've got a good relationship with some of the folks who handle discipline, so I might be able to get out of this one.
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Have your parents write the note, and go ahead and try to negotite as you have set out. Be prepared for it not to work. If it doesn't, do your 1.5 hours with as much good humor as you can muster. And look at the bright side - every minute you're there is a minute the teacher has to be there, too. I am certain that he pr she would far rather be somewhere else rather than staring at you.

For the future, stop jerking the teacher's chain. Seriously. I can hear you now: "but I'm not, the teacher just has it in for me." Baloney. It's been a while, but I was in school, too, and Lord knows I had my share of run-ins with teachers. And truth be told, while some of the teachers I butted heads with were real jerk-offs, I did more than my fair share to make the conflict happen. So here's the deal - if you go with the program, even when you think the program is stupid (and sometimes it even is, although there is a reason for it more often than you might think), you will get along a whole lot easier. If you have "played the game" with a teacher, do not expect any slack from them, because it isn't going to happen. Guess what? Bosses and other folks who have something you want often behave the same way. If it is more important to you to rail against what you perceive to be injustices or stupidities or stuff that is simply dull than it is to go with the program, so be it, but don't be surprised when the sh*t hits your personal fan.

What it really comes down to is learning to pick your battles more carefully. Many of them simply are not worth the cost, even if you are technically "right." It also means that, if you are going to jerk the chain of someone in a position of authority, even if you are justified in doing so, you can expect to have adverse consequences as a result. 'Tis simply the way of the world. As Mr. Natural said: "Ever has it been thus."
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Yea, I just spoke to my parents. They laughed and said if they need to call the school, they will. I am going to try and negotiate.
At this point, I am giving up trying to talk to this guy. I am just going to leave him alone, he's obviously an unhappy soul. I will admit this:
I piss this guy off not even trying. When he hears me speak, he gets on edge. When I speak to him, he frowns with an even greater amplitude. Sometimes I find pleasure in making sure I say an awful lot .

In the future, I will show up to his class for the 4 minutes before the pep rally, then get dismissed. So class starts at 1:40, I will have my parents write my dismissal note for 1:45.
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I will admit this:
I piss this guy off not even trying. When he hears me speak, he gets on edge. When I speak to him, he frowns with an even greater amplitude. Sometimes I find pleasure in making sure I say an awful lot .
Ooooooo, this sounds soooo familiar. I can recall more than one occasion where every ounce of my common sense was screaming at me to just . . . shut . . . up . . . when dealing with a certain teacher. I never did. I paid for it every single time, too. But I must confess that it was usually worth it for the fleeting moment when she had that look of shock on her face, especially that momentary look of blind terror on her face when she realized that she had been locked out of her room . . . .

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Me a teacher:
I know of students that just pull your chain and some that have an edge......... But in my case when I know there is a personality conflict, then I just back off. I don't really let them get over, but if they get on my nerves I know some other teacher must have problem with them also. I always check to see if "MY" problem child is my problem or everyones. If it is just me I revaluate my thinking and try to find out why it is just me.
If it is everybody then "Nellie hold the cat" there is going to be a reckoning.
This sounds like a conflict of personalities and it may mean an arbitrator should be brought in.
And..... If you are just whining, for whining's sake, stop it.
And yes, Pep rallys are only for those rare people that like them, not me.
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I'd go straight to the Principal and tell him what happened and ask that it be excused. If he declines, tell him you won't be doing any more chamber talks for the school. And then don't.
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You left school without an excuss, do the detention and forget it - life is to short. Be proud of the fact you've been asked to represent your school.
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ASI? Is this the new special code for detention?

Do your time like a man. We've all been there (well, most of us have) at one time or another.

The time it took you to write this up on BikeForums could have been spent doing something constructive... like studying during a detention.
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Ah make the best of that detention. They suck, but there are far worse things.
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Looks like I am off the hook . I spoke to a friendly administrator today who referred me to the one who handles these types of things. She look at my record:
No write ups, no disciplinary action in my 4 years, and not a single absence this year . I told her that I forgot to remind my mother to call in and excuse my absence. We went in to meet the Dean, I told him I think a 2 hour ASI is a bit much for 4 minutes of class. He said to get my mother on the phone to confirm me "dental appointment". And so, I got her on the phone, she excused it. ANd all is well . I sooooo want to rub it in my teachers face, but that isn't going to happen. At least until a few weeks AFTER I graduate
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So.... did you REALLY a) have a dental appointment, or b) were your parents really complicit in your weaseling out of class/pep-rally?

If a) then good on ya.

If b) then life is going to be really funny when mommy and daddy don't cover your heinie.
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Looks like I am off the hook . I spoke to a friendly administrator today who referred me to the one who handles these types of things. She look at my record:
No write ups, no disciplinary action in my 4 years, and not a single absence this year . I told her that I forgot to remind my mother to call in and excuse my absence. We went in to meet the Dean, I told him I think a 2 hour ASI is a bit much for 4 minutes of class. He said to get my mother on the phone to confirm me "dental appointment". And so, I got her on the phone, she excused it. ANd all is well . I sooooo want to rub it in my teachers face, but that isn't going to happen. At least until a few weeks AFTER I graduate
I am truly disapointed.

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Two words: Man up.
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So you got your folks to lie for ya?
Wow.... you're goin' to go far. Politics anyone?
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I was just thinking.... phantomcow, you're heading off to college soon, right?

Most professors don't care if you skip class, but they do notice students that show up and participate. I knew plenty of folks in college who thought it was so cool that they didn't have to go to classes, but then were all whiny and stressed out when exam scores proved their laziness to be idiotic. The good professors just laughed at them and didn't take any excuses.

And then the prof would put on the gravitas tone when Mommy/Daddy called to complain because Junior got a D- on his midterm. "Why, yes Mr. and/or Mrs. Jones, Jimmy sure did get a D-. What's that, you say? He was such a go-getter and got straight A's in high school? That's fantastic. By the by, did you know Jimmy missed 6 classes when we covered the exam material? Oh, Jimmy didn't tell you that? Mmm Hmm. I see. Well, I hope he likes moving back home and getting a full time job. Cheers." {click**

There's no detention in college, but there is a lot of embarassment to be had.

Bargain with that.

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Nothing wrong with skipping pep rallies. I remember hating them. I got even less out of them than I did out of class...and that is hard to do.

Playing the game can be fun, though. I remember being very good friends with a teacher known to be a harda$s. We became friends because I played her game enough to get her to open up to me. Learning to play the game without sucking up was the only useful thing I got out of HS. That and learning to sing.
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