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Old 03-20-07, 01:27 PM   #1
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Would you work for a company....

....that writes you up if you are taken out of your office building by EMT's?

That is if you knew ahead of time?

My company has a policy that says if you are not here doing your job & it is not excused you are written for attendance for it, as either a tardy or an occurance. Even if you are taken away by EMT's because you are having a medical problem.

It has gotten to the point where people here who this has happened with have attempted to refuse medical treatment. The company can not allow this to happen & require they go to the hospital because of liability reasons, yet they write the person up for it. I have been witness to people resisting & being taken out of my office on a stretcher or gurney by force because of this.

So what do you think?
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Old 03-20-07, 01:33 PM   #2
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Only if they paid me more than I could get elsewhere.
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Old 03-20-07, 01:34 PM   #3
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I would be actively pursuing other opportunities if I saw something like that. However, I wouldn't quit right then and their out of moral outrage.
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Sounds to me like that place is just a lawsuit waiting to happen.
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I've had jobs like that, and life is too short for that type of BS. Good pay isn't worth dealing with that crap. I'd be updating my resume as soon as I found out about it.

I'm too professional to do anything back, but I will be leaving pretty quickly, since if a company wants to do crap to me there, who knows what other surprises they have in store.
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Although it might be difficult, I would suggest you look for a new employer (they seems a bit obsessed by rules) . Do you have other issues with this company?
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Sorry, I am a little confused here.

Are you saying that unless planned in advance, you will be written up if you are not on the job when you are supposed to be? Even if you are taken away on a stretcher by EMT's? So if you plan in advance and announce your absence ahead of time, it's okay?
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If they have that bad a policy on this issue they certainly have equally bad policies on others. I would find a better place to work. In fact, I've done just that. About 5 years ago. I took a substantial cut in pay but I am really happy and that's well worth it.
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what industry is this company in? (just so I can avoid it)
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Sorry, I am a little confused here.

Are you saying that unless planned in advance, you will be written up if you are not on the job when you are supposed to be? Even if you are taken away on a stretcher by EMT's? So if you plan in advance and announce your absence ahead of time, it's okay?
Pretty much. Unless you have excused time off, which is prescheduled vacation or personal time or demand time you have to call in the morning of to try & get, you are written up if you are not here & it is unexcused, regardless of the reason why. You are tardy for the first 1 hr & 59 min. you are not here at the start of your shift or if you are not back from breaks or lunches. At 120 min. it is an occurance. If you leave early, for any reason & it is not excused you are written up for it.

After so many tardy's &/or occurances in a certain amount of time you can be fired for attendance problems.
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Old 03-20-07, 01:50 PM   #13
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i've been written up before, and in every instance, the consequence was a big floppy reprimand. So let em, and fly the bird at em on your way out on the stretcher, like you just scored the game winner
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I work for a telecommunications company that is a regulated business, by the FCC & PUC's. We have to maintain certain & specific service levels for our customers. If we don't we are in trouble for it.

That is the reason given for the tardy's & occurances if we are not here & it is unexcused.
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N_C, from earlier posts, I gather you are in a union shop of some sort, right?

Sounds like something covered under collective bargaining, perhaps? If it is, don't hate the rule, hate those who agreed to put it in place in the first place. Or else work to get it changed at the next round of contract talks.

It's one thing to not like a rule. It's another to get the rule changed within the framework of the business/employee model.
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I should have also asked if you did not find this out until you started working here would you seek other employment else where?
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I should have also asked if you did not find this out until you started working here would you seek other employment else where?
Why wouldn't you be seeking employment elsewhere?
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Old 03-20-07, 01:57 PM   #18
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i'd take the write up. it's just documentation that i was sick enough to be taken away by ambulance. unless there were other negative factors of working there, i wouldn't quit. take the bad with the good.
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I should have also asked if you did not find this out until you started working here would you seek other employment else where?
Every job has the potential for goofy rules. If they get enforced strictly by the books and you don't like it, then there is freedom to leave the job.

However, most employers will understand a medical emergency and work with you to not give you a petty reprimand for having a stroke / heart-attack / broken bone / whatever.

If the pay was good and conditions meant I enjoyed the work, I'd take the job. I mean, how often do you have a medical emergency? If it's that frequent, accomodations need to be made in advance. "Hey boss, I am a diabetic and it's under control, but if something should happen on the job, here's what you or someone should do for me....."
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It's an effect of collective barganing. You as a CB unit have rules you expect the compant to play by, they in turn have rules they expect the employees to play by.

This is my primary objection to union shops. Historically, I have had better rapor with employers/supervisors when working in an open shop as compared to the dynamics in a union shop.

All part of the game.

Anecodatal evidence:

When I worked for UPS I got sacked for tossing a broom at a truck. Dood was driving off with my coffee on his bumper and I wanted to get his attention amid the din of the yard. Their reason: violence and agression.

When I went critical last year with the leukemia the guy I'd been working for said fro me to take what ever time I needed, and to keep him in the info loop. Just a couple months before, I ran the store when his father died and then he got a kidney stone attack.
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N_C, from earlier posts, I gather you are in a union shop of some sort, right?

Sounds like something covered under collective bargaining, perhaps? If it is, don't hate the rule, hate those who agreed to put it in place in the first place. Or else work to get it changed at the next round of contract talks.

It's one thing to not like a rule. It's another to get the rule changed within the framework of the business/employee model.
Yes, the CWA. Yes, collective bargaining agreement. So this is all in the contract, which expires at the end of this year, but it has been there for a long time I think.
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No, I would not.
If one has no other choice but to work in such an environment, then treat kind with kind. They are going to write you up for not putting your coronary on the schedule two weeks ahead of time; fine, demand that your tort lawyer be present while they do so. What are they going to do? Fire you? That just gives you a bigger settlement in the end, and is the best retirement one can hope from such a corporation.
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Holy crap. Unless you get some super good perks, I would not. Well, it might be alright if you are single with no dependents. If you're a parent, I hope your kid takes his vitamins and you hope you never a call from the school nurse saying he/she is sick and needs to be picked up. Then again, you should hope no emergency EVER comes up. Even at my workplace, where some think the boss makes this place a lot like a sweatshop, it's not the end of the world if you have to leave early or miss a day here with no warning. Murphy said it best:
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If the medical reason is serious enough we can file FMLA, which retroactives back to the date the person was taken out by EMT's. This is not in the contract but it is the law. An employer can not fire an employee for absence from work for medical reasons when they file for FMLA. In most if not all cases the employees have been forced to do this. But there is a catch.

If an employee who uses FMLA, to keep from getting fired, has any vacation or personal time they have not taken, this means it may be scheduled but they have not actually used the time yet, they have to sacrifice that time in leu of FMLA. Then FMLA kicks in if they are still not back to work. So if you have a vacation scheduled & it is a trip to Hawaii & you have paid for the reservations, etc. & you don't have the trip insurance & you get sick & have to sacrifice that scehduled vacation time, too bad, so sad. You're SOL.
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Seems like a small price to pay to be able to go to school for anything on the employer's dime.
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