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    Quote Originally Posted by Wordbiker View Post
    Oh, that's always a possibility.
    Hell, that's what I assumed you'd be doing in the first place. Spraying some items from the take-off bin at work, not shelling out for the white Ritchey bits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by x136 View Post
    Hell, that's what I assumed you'd be doing in the first place. Spraying some items from the take-off bin at work, not shelling out for the white Ritchey bits.
    Nothing that high-end.

    Unfortunately the bins are poor pickin's. I got some stuff from Truvativ, Schwalbe and should have some Deore wheels by next week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wordbiker View Post

    Believe it or not, this was a good fork around 1997-99, right at 4 lbs, though many found it ugly and when Girvin crashed, support for it disappeared. I bought it NOS a few years ago for a chopper project because I found the girder design interesting, just never used it. I checked today and if I like the way it rides, Risse Racing still makes an air shock upgrade for it that has better performance and knocks about 1/2 lb off the weight.
    my mtb is a 93 - I bought it sans shock, thinking I'd upgrade years later - which I never did. But this Girvin would have been my second choice had I done so (the first choice would have been a Manitou 3, which was pretty freakin' hot stuf ca. 1994 if I recall....)
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    Apparently I was no longer into cycling when that Girvin came out. I remember them having just a little yellow elastomer for a spring. Man, I miss the early '90s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lamplight View Post
    Man, I miss the early '90s.
    me too, but for different reasons....
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    Just a mock build up, but will likely look like this when completed. But obviously with with the steerer cut down and a headset installed and a rear wheel and chain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pgoat View Post
    my mtb is a 93 - I bought it sans shock, thinking I'd upgrade years later - which I never did. But this Girvin would have been my second choice had I done so (the first choice would have been a Manitou 3, which was pretty freakin' hot stuf ca. 1994 if I recall....)
    I think there's a 1" steerer version of those laying around the shop...and like all of them, with blown elastomers. There's nothing to replace them in wholesale channels, all the supply dried up long ago, but Ron Andrews told me about some guy offering coil spring replacements for them on eBay. He even has a damper kit for $90.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lamplight View Post
    Apparently I was no longer into cycling when that Girvin came out. I remember them having just a little yellow elastomer for a spring. Man, I miss the early '90s.
    Yeah, I remember those too. Highly unlikely to find replacement parts these days.

    The Noleen NR-1 shock is a dinosaur by today's standards, but still functional. The only issue for me will be if the spring rate is correct for my 230 lbs. I could put more preload on it, but at the cost of travel. There is a damper control, though I'm not sure if it's compression or rebound.

    The cool part about the potential Risse replacement shock is the ability to fine tune the air spring, and Risse makes each shock to your spec and according to rider weight. We'll see once I can ride it whether dumping more cash into it is justified. If not...I can always put a modern fork on it.

    I'm digging the retro style though and have been considering making that the theme: Neo-Retro. The drivetrain parts so far are all Silver Deore with a somewhat classic look to them. I've been wanting to try a bike with some Paul's Thumbies with barend shifters, and the look would be correct...until closer inspection. Modern 9-speed function with classic looks. Yeah, that sounds cool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wordbiker View Post
    I think there's a 1" steerer version of those laying around the shop...and like all of them, with blown elastomers.
    wow.

    my bike has a threaded 1 1/8" but funny - I guess there were still some decent mountain bikes with 1" around in '93.

    When I last took that bike to a shop for a tune up a really young guy worked on it. He not only did not believe me when i told him it was a mountain bike ("dude - no shocks, and look at the skinny tires - it's definitely a hybrid!") he also did not accept that it was 1 1/8"... "Quill stems are 1" he proudly told me. "You're not touching my bike" I replied.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pgoat View Post
    When I last took that bike to a shop for a tune up a really young guy worked on it. He not only did not believe me when i told him it was a mountain bike ("dude - no shocks, and look at the skinny tires - it's definitely a hybrid!") he also did not accept that it was 1 1/8"... "Quill stems are 1" he proudly told me. "You're not touching my bike" I replied.
    Heh. Good choice.

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    unfortunately I relented and he destroyed my back wheel
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    D'oh!

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    It was a cool shop and I'd had work done there years before by guys only a few years older than him and they did great work. I guess you can't go home again.....
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    My beater:



    My looker:



    My "70s-look" ride:


    My "80s-look" (gotta love the techno-grid Knight Rider look) ride:


    My Campagnolo Victory ride:



    My Kevon Bacon Quicksilver Poseur Replica :



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    Beautiful bikes! Thanks for sharing

    no sti or ergopower for you, huh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pgoat View Post
    no sti or ergopower for you, huh?
    My STI machine (EL tubed Guerc') was clobbered by a Mercedes a few weeks ago:





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    Quote Originally Posted by pgoat View Post
    wow.

    my bike has a threaded 1 1/8" but funny - I guess there were still some decent mountain bikes with 1" around in '93.

    When I last took that bike to a shop for a tune up a really young guy worked on it. He not only did not believe me when i told him it was a mountain bike ("dude - no shocks, and look at the skinny tires - it's definitely a hybrid!") he also did not accept that it was 1 1/8"... "Quill stems are 1" he proudly told me. "You're not touching my bike" I replied.
    Ugh...I can relate.

    In the mood for a long tragic/comedy story? Good...

    The guy that owned that blown Manitou 3 came in to the shop looking for a replacement for a very nice Klein. Unfortunately, he got our young guy. I don't mean that in an overly critical way...he's a good guy and all, just doesn't have a depth of experience, but had it been me that dealt with the customer, I'd have spotted the 1" steerer and immediately gone into how rare a halfway decent suspension fork would be (My carpenter's eye does come in handy) and that we'd be hard pressed to find one.

    Instead...he told him that we'd find a fork within his budget and install it. As it turned out...yeah, only one SR/Suntour fork was available in 1" threaded...and it wouldn't be in stock for a month. Customer is informed and second shop helper orders the fork. We wait, and when it comes in...It's too long...by a good margin. Did I mention we didn't have any threading tools?

    I convince the boss we need the dies and he begrudgingly gives me the OK to order as long as the cost of labor and margin on the fork covers it. I wanted the Park tool, but I select a lesser tool thinking that as often as we'll need it, it should be fine. Time comes to order it...and it's out of stock.

    The only choice left is the Park, which comes as a handle and a die as a set, or just the die. I order the set, we wait, and...only the die arrives.

    I order again from another vendor, figuring that I can return the first one for credit and wait yet again, the tool (handle and die) comes in, I apply it and...it screws the threads up royally.

    I go over and over the instructions, trying to figure out what I did wrong and found no error on my part. After tearing out some hair I left it for the next day when I came to the realization that the only thing it could possibly be is either a bad die or crap metal. I try the other die set aside to return and the threading goes as smooth as silk. Whew! Fortunately it had only borked the threads I was cutting off anyway. Did I mention that the customer had come in several times during all this waiting and was getting hostile? I couldn't blame him and was relieved to finally get his rig out of our shop. All that remained was headset installation...<glitch>

    Oh no, it couldn't be that easy, now could it? No, the steerer on this particular fork had a bulge for the crown race several times too large. I pulled every 1" headset race we had in the shop, both old and new...not one of them fit. I'd eyeballed those crown race cutting tools before...and at over three bills wholesale, quickly dismissed them as "yet another thing the shop owner would never pop for". Considering this issue was entirely avoidable, I can't blame him either.

    I got to work with a file...and filed...and filed...and filed. I literally filed until my arm was sore and had to quit. Another day passes and I finally get close enough to use emery paper...and finally achieve a fit. This was no hackjob, this was old world hand craftsmanship bucko. I get the fork fitted, the threads were the perfect height and everything goes together just swell....until I try to apply brakes.

    The new fork had no stop provisions for cantilever brakes. The Klein stem had internal routing which took care of that before the Manitou had been applied, but that doesn't work when the fork goes boingy-boingy. The choice was to either handcraft a stop using the top arch bolt (which I'd actually done before once upon a time) or upgrade him to V-brakes...no brainer, my arm was already sore.

    Here is the part wherein I curse to high heaven the name of the engineer or marketing wonk whose bright idea it was to integrate brake and shift levers. I want to kill the sumbiotch that came up with those...especially when they then changed leverage ratios for linear brakes. I bust up a set of shifters, a set of brakes that match as closely as possible (and are several tiers better than what they replaced)...knowing I'd totally blown my budget for this fiasco and would have a hard time selling those orphaned parts later. (No, I wasn't about to wait for another week to get a Travel Agent)

    I call the customer, tell him he can come pick up his bike after so many months, and that there'd be no additional charge other than his previous $40 deposit to compensate him for the inconvenience. He picks it up and I explain that perhaps it was fortunate after all as the front shifter I'd replaced was on its way out. He got a brake upgrade, the fork worked well and the color even matched decently. He left happy and I no longer had to think about whether my head would fit in the vise.
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    WB - I can feel your pain... that reads like something right out of my shop playbook.

    Mind you...our humble little co-op is fully equipped with all the specialized tooling one needs save for some Italian and French bb taps.

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    Oh...nice bikes cudak888.
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    Kurt has some serious bike porn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sixty Fiver View Post
    WB - I can feel your pain... that reads like something right out of my shop playbook.

    Mind you...our humble little co-op is fully equipped with all the specialized tooling one needs save for some Italian and French bb taps.
    It's very frustrating being a huge tool geek (about half the tools at the shop are mine personally, many brought in to solve problems) and not having what you need to do proper work. Granted, there's a lot of tools that one can buy that may never pay for themselves at a smaller shop, but I have a list started anyway. Hopefully the financing to buy the shop will include enough to spare for a true professional set of tools. I'll gladly build locking drawers to keep them safe and organized.
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    Very nice bikes Kurt.
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    I've removed the high gear chain ring, to change over to a double. I had started swapping the cranks over to Ultegra, but the road cranks hit the frame on the chain stay. (bummer)
    I've swapped the cluster over to road instead of MTB, and swapped the Sram MTB rear deraileur over to an Ultegra road.
    Because my existing Sram shifter has a different actuation ratio to my Shimano rear deraileur, I decided to change it to my spare Deore. All is running well, and I'm happy as.



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    Dude, your bike has reflective chicken pox.

    Every time I see a cool hybrid/hybridized-mountain bike like that, it makes me want to build one up. They're such fun, and I kind of miss mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by x136 View Post
    Dude, your bike has reflective chicken pox.

    .....
    They're such fun, and I kind of miss mine....
    I love riding this bike. It is fantastic around town.
    The chicken pox are sooo itchy too.

    Nice bike by the way, why did you get rid of it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by giantcfr1 View Post
    Nice bike by the way, why did you get rid of it?
    I just wasn't riding it anymore. I got a new bike built up right around the time I got hit by a car riding that one (no damage, it was tough!), so the old one just ended up lounging around while I rode the new one. Eventually I brought the old one back inside and fixed it all up, returning it to its previous state as a mountain bike. Even then, I only rode it once as a mountain bike, so I decided it was better if it moved on. I gave it away to someone who needed a bike but couldn't afford one, and that was that.



    It was my first bike as an adult, and it served me well for a few years, so I do miss it, but at the same time, I don't regret my actions.

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