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Old 05-06-07, 11:37 AM   #1
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RANT: Public smoking still allowed in your state?

I remember about 5 - 10 years ago when Florida passed the clean air law and banned smoking in public places. I was happy, but didn't realize how great it was until this last week on my road trip.

I came across many states (and restaurants) which still allow smoking inside and have "smoking" and "non-smoking" sections. Ugh! It was horrible. I walk in and immediately my eyes begin to water. One restaurant had 3 (yes, only 3) booths in the corner for non-smoking. Those 3 booths were the entire "non-smoking" section.


Ugh! Ackh! Snort!!

Anybody still live in a state where public smoking is still allowed indoors? I'm glad Washington and Florida both passed those clean-air laws. It's horrid, absolutely horrid I tell you. It's not like you can just not get the smoke affect by moving to a corner. It permeates every nook and cranny of a restaurant. The smell, the watering of eyes, the kicking up of allergies.

Ok...I needed to rant that out. Thanks for listening.
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Old 05-06-07, 11:57 AM   #2
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Well, if you need a second hand smoke fix just visit one of the tribal casinos. They are exempt from the non-smoking rule....however, they do have non-smoking areas.
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Old 05-06-07, 12:01 PM   #3
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Anybody still live in a state where public smoking is still allowed indoors?
Isn't this a oxymoron?
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Old 05-06-07, 12:51 PM   #4
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In Maine, no smoking allowed indoors, including bars (which is a recent change). In NH, they still allow smoking in smoking sections.
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I hate smoke as well. We have similar laws here.

“Having a smoking section in a restaurant is like having a peeing section in a public pool.”
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I hate smoke as well. We have similar laws here.

“Having a smoking section in a restaurant is like having a peeing section in a public pool.”
What if it glassed off?

It is against the law here too but some places get away with a quaruntined (sp) area for the infected...nice and sectioned off from my lungs.
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Isn't this a oxymoron?
Apparently, private businesses are public property. Go figure.

Anyway, enjoy the the perceived positive benefits while they last, because once these puritans have finished off smoking they'll come after something else. Maybe even something you enjoy.

There are two bars here that have banned inside smoking. They did this of their own accord. These are the two main bars I go to when I actually do go out. I avoid other bars if I can't at least sit outside and not in a din of smoke. I make that choice myself.

If a restaurant I go to has a smoking section, and it's bad enough that it bothers me, I'll ask to be moved to someplace further away. If they say no, or there isn't anything better available, I'll go to a different restaurant.

But I guess that's too easy. I should, instead, attempt make everyone conform to my wishes because personal freedom is such a pain in the ass when it inconveniences me.

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Old 05-06-07, 02:53 PM   #8
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Here! Here! Try Touring in Europe and finding a non-smoking section.! Just move and quit complaining.

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Old 05-06-07, 03:11 PM   #9
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It's city by city here in KS. Lawrence is the only city I know for sure has banned it, but I think many others are following quickly in its footsteps.

I'm not sure what I think about it. I don't smoke, so I like it not being smoky, but making laws about that kind of thing makes me a bit uneasy.

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Apparently, private businesses are public property. Go figure.

Anyway, enjoy the the perceived positive benefits while they last, because once these puritans have finished off smoking they'll come after something else. Maybe even something you enjoy.

There are two bars here that have banned inside smoking. They did this of their own accord. These are the two main bars I go to when I actually do go out. I avoid other bars if I can't at least sit outside and not in a din of smoke. I make that choice myself.

If a restaurant I go to has a smoking section, and it's bad enough that it bothers me, I'll ask to be moved to someplace further away. If they say no, or there isn't anything better available, I'll go to a different restaurant.

But I guess that's too easy. I should, instead, attempt make everyone conform to my wishes because personal freedom is such a pain in the ass when it inconveniences me.

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When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
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I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
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I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for me,
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Oh nos! Maybe they will take your trans fats next!!! Its a little extreme to compair a social policy that helps the general health level to the nazis, dont you think?
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uh, i think trans fats may be banned in Washington state
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There pretty much isn't any public smoking in my area. We do need to be careful about wishing for more legislation because silly future laws might include things like restricting cycling to local surface streets (no county roads and no off-road trails) and all bicycles must be equipped with a large, audible horn. I'm a lifelong non-smoker and I will always select a non-smoking bar/restaurant when given a choice.

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Apparently, private businesses are public property. Go figure.
That's the stance the Washington voters took. I'm not a smoker and think it's a lousy habit, but the smoking law bugs me based on property rights.

I live in Oregon now where we don't (yet...Oregon likes to copy Washington and vice vs. a few years apart) have such a law. On days when I don't feel like being exposed to smoke, which is most of the time, I just don't go to establishments that either don't allow it or segregate it. Meanwhile in Washington, those businesses that wish to cater to clientèle who would prefer a smoking environment can't offer it.

Oh...don't even bring trans fats into this. Washington hasn't banned them, by the way, but New York City has. Apparently cis fats are ok...
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It should be up to the business to make it smoking or non-smoking. if you dont like their decision, smokers or non-smokers, then simply dont go there. as far as public smoking goes, if a city says no smoking in a public place like a park or outside a government building than thats ok too, if you dont like it then dont go there or move. all of these non smoking bans will not last forever i bet, the governments gets far too much money in taxes for that to happen, i bet once they start seeing a decline in tax revenue and start raising taxes in other areas to compensate the laws will be repealed, hopefully. you should be able to smoke outside, and it should be up to the business owners, not the government to ban smoking. it is more of a nuisnace than a health hazard, there have been no studies to prove that second hand smoke causes cancer, even when it is from nonsmoking advocates trying really hard to prove their point. and the studies that have been conducted pointing to health risks associated with second hand smoke were cunducted on people who were confined living with heavy smokers for many years, not just someone eating at a restaurant or drinking at a bar.

i really hate crying babies at the theater or while im dinning, we should ban them as well, plus they smell when they poop, it really interferes with my dinning experience. or a group of teenagers while im eating, they should have to be accompanied by an adult, they always ruin my night by their loud laughter and inpolite ways of communication. people in wheel chairs or on cruches are a hazard when walking through a crowded mall, what if i trip and fall while trying to pass them? dogs in stores and restaurants, that really gets me going, and oh do they smell if its raining outside. these are all also valid laws we should pass, besides, it really helps to fog the important issues of the world when debating about laws like this, so im all for them, god bless america!!
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Oh nos! Maybe they will take your trans fats next!!! Its a little extreme to compair a social policy that helps the general health level to the nazis, dont you think?
It's the sentiment.

Yeah, they took my trans-fat and I'm pissed!

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The way I see it, everything kill us eventually.

If you don't want exposed to something, then don't go to that place.

Either the business will adapt, or drown. Considering there are more non-smokers than smokers, they had enough spending power to make a point without legislation.

This is just a case of people asking others to do what they could have done themselves through talking with their wallet.

Really, I liked smoke in bars, but disliked it in restaurants. Cigarettes were great for overpowering the bad taste of cheap beer (I grew up in places where the bars pretty much stocked crap beer).
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Unfortunatly, living in North Carolina, there is smoking everywhere you go. hack, hack.
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Can I walk into a restaurant and start firing a gun into the air? No, because I might kill someone. Same with cigarette smoke, no?
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uh, i think trans fats may be banned in Washington state
Not yet
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Can I walk into a restaurant and start firing a gun into the air? No, because I might kill someone. Same with cigarette smoke, no?
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I'd rather my bars smelled like cigarette smoke than stale alcohol and BO.

Anti-smoking extremists and puritans need a dose of reality, and possibly some exposure to a culture that's not steeped in hypocritical health and safety BS hysteria. Exceptions and condolences for those who suffer from extreme allergies, etc. The rest of you, grow up.
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When the Nazis came for the communists,
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Oh nos! Maybe they will take your trans fats next!!! Its a little extreme to compair a social policy that helps the general health level to the nazis, dont you think?
The context of the original is more extreme, but the concept is the same.

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I'm not sure what I think about it. I don't smoke, so I like it not being smoky, but making laws about that kind of thing makes me a bit uneasy.
You'll find that a well-planned venue and good ventilation make a lot of difference, as well as what people smoke (prefab cigs are gross IMHO, rollies are much nicer).


Explody Pup, +1.


If people spent a tenth as much energy hating on cars as they did hating on cigarettes, maybe you'd see a significant improvement in quality of life. Until then cigarettes are the fad scapegoat of modern times.

I wonder what people will start to hate on next. Personally, I hope it's perfume. Because if you intolerant ninnies want to do something useful maybe you should start hating on people who marinate themselves in perfume every time they step out the door. Now that's truly gagworthy.
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I'd rather my bars smelled like cigarette smoke than stale alcohol and BO.

Anti-smoking extremists and puritans need a dose of reality, and possibly some exposure to a culture that's not steeped in hypocritical health and safety BS hysteria. Exceptions and condolences for those who suffer from extreme allergies, etc. The rest of you, grow up.
On most issues I would agree with you 100% (like the trans fats thing, I think that should be a consumer decision as there are no negative externalities) but with smoking you also have to consider the owners and employees of the establishments (protecting these people is the main reason smoking is banned in most public places).

Consider the following- There are two bars within walking distance of each other. They both cater to similiar customer groups. Bar A allows smoking while Bar B does not. Bar A will get the business of people who smoke, and people who want to drink with people who smoke that think a little second hand smoke a few days out of the week wont hurt them (whether it does or does not is not the issue). Bar B will have to spend money to make themselves more competetive so that they can attract some of the nonsmokers at Bar A, or they could allow smoking. Most commonly they will just be forced to allow smoking. Now for the non-smoking patrons of the bar who show up and have a few drinks and leave in a rather short time frame (few hours maybe) this probably isnt that bad for them. But for the bartenders and waitresses who have to endure it every night they work its a very real health hazard. Allowing smoking in public places essentially offers a nonprice incentive to make an unsafe work environment, which Im pretty sure is frowned upon in most places. Just my 2cp
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Oh nos! Maybe they will take your trans fats next!!! Its a little extreme to compair a social policy that helps the general health level to the nazis, dont you think?
Asher, I believe Stacey is referring to Social Engineering as a restriction of freedom. Different people hold different freedoms dear and as long as it isn't criminal, then a restriction of that freedom feels intolerable. Remember about perception of restriction being an individual thing!
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