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Old 05-21-07, 09:52 PM   #1
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latin pronunciation

anyone know if this latin phrase has any different pronunciation rather than normal english?

"ne te quaesiveris extra"

it's from emersons self-reliance btw.
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It's pronounced "Beer".
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I took four years of Latin.

"Do not look from yourself" so pretty much... "do not seek outside of yourself"

So, yeah, it a quote of self reliance.

Regarding pronounciation for "quaesiveris", the ae is pronounced as an "i".
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Prego.

One more thing about "quaesiveris", the 'v' is pronounced like a 'w' and the 'i' after the 's' would be an 'e' so, it would be prounoucned as "quisewearis". Hopefully that works.
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I took four years of Latin.
Very cool! Did you have a reason to do so, or was it more of a "just for the hell of it" kind of thing?
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Very cool! Did you have a reason to do so, or was it more of a "just for the hell of it" kind of thing?
I wanted to read the bible and old texts. Also, I took it for I already knew spanish and I didn't want to learn French. At the moment, after I learn Italian, I plan on learning French. *shrugs*
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I wanted to read the bible and old texts.
Ah, neat. It'd be fun to be able to read some of the more obscure, bizarre old books (of which I'm a fan). Plus, you could go to Latin mass and do more than play along phonetically.

Personally, I've found that the languages I'm most interested in learning are the ones that have little or no practical application to me.
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Ah, neat. It'd be fun to be able to read some of the more obscure, bizarre old books (of which I'm a fan). Plus, you could go to Latin mass and do more than play along phonetically.

Personally, I've found that the languages I'm most interested in learning are the ones that have little or no practical application to me.
Heh. What languages do you know?
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I have a flimsy grasp on English!

I started to take a Japanese class once. I think it's a very nice sounding language. I didn't get very far, but I'd like to continue someday. I'd also like to learn American Sign Language, for no particular reason.

In high school, I had a choice between Spanish and French, but wasn't very interested. Both seemed too practical. So I took art class instead.
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I wanted to read the bible and old texts.
Uhm, but the bible was written in Greek and Hebrew...
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I took four years of Latin.

"Do not look from yourself" so pretty much... "do not seek outside of yourself"

So, yeah, it a quote of self reliance.

Regarding pronounciation for "quaesiveris", the ae is pronounced as an "i".
God, how impressive is that...four years of Latin...
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Uhm, but the bible was written in Greek and Hebrew...
When the bible was translated into Latin I then wanted to read it.

Dauphin, I took Latin all throughout highschool and I still trying to keep it fresh in my language database. I was given the chance to learn Greek but, i didn't take it.
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I believe church latin is pronounced in a softer fashion. Benediciere as an example....in church latin the c is pronounced in a che. In classical pronunciation the c is opronounced as a a hard k as in kick. Cicero is known today as sissero but to Romans of his day as kicker-o.

The language of the Christian Church was originally Greek. Educated folks spoke and wrote Greek at the time the New Testament was being written. The early christian churches used a fish symbol instead of a cross. The Greek word for fish is ICTHUS. ICTHUS is an achrostic meaning the letters are the first letters of a saying.

I esus
C hristus
T heos
U ios
S oter

You know the first two letters. he last three mean "son of God".
My little bit of trivia for today.

Ego ipse tam malum esse vir!
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The original documents were written in Greek, but the Vulgate (about 400 A.D.) was in Latin. Until the last 100 years, almost all of the translations were from the Vulgate, not the Greek texts. Now they are from the Greek texts that predate the Vulgate. Pretty interesting to be able to read the old texts, whether they be in Latin or Greek. There are no original texts, they are all copies. There are advantages to reading the Greek since these are copies, not translations.

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In vino veritas!

Oh, and stacey's "Non tribuo anus rodentum"!
Don't know if it's correct Latin, but it's damn funny!
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Uhm, but the bible was written in Greek and Hebrew...
Odd, I thought it Aramaic.
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Italian? Senorena, le dove varipe manjare qual cosa?
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Italian? Senorena, le dove varipe manjare qual cosa?
Signorina, le dove varipe mangiare qualcosa? <-- is that what you meant?

Translates to: Miss, where (varipe) to eat something? What does varipe mean?

Thanks guys. With this thread I get to work on my Latin. It's been a while.
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I may have it wrong. I haven't spoken italian in probably 5 years, and even then mine was rudimentary at best.
I thought I was saying ..Miss, would you like to go eat something?
I think I need to study up on the language....especially since I want, so badly to spend 2 weeks in Italy. In and around the Amalfi coast.
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Plus, you could go to Latin mass and do more than play along phonetically.
Hey, I hear that the Pope is considering allowing the Latin Mass again. Let's see who remembers: Dominus Vobiscum
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Odd, I thought it Aramaic.
Not a lot, no. But this page says that a few pieces were written in Aramaic:
http://en.bibleinfo.com/questions/question.html?id=731

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A few chapters of the books Ezra (ch. 4:8-6:18; 7:12-26) and Daniel (ch. 2:4 to 7:28), one verse in Jeremiah (ch. 10:11, and a word in Genesis (ch. 31:47) are written, not in ancient Hebrew, but in Aramaic. Aramaic is about as closely related to Hebrew as Spanish is to Portuguese. However, the differences between Aramaic and Hebrew are not those of dialect, and the two are regarded as two separate languages.
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anyone know if this latin phrase has any different pronunciation rather than normal english?

"ne te quaesiveris extra"

it's from emersons self-reliance btw.
Lets see I took four years of Latin too and my answer is.... uuhhh ... sure or I don't know.


Seriously I was taught that no one knows how to pronounce Latin any more so it really is any ones best guess though there is a convention as to what the best guess is. Most likely within that convention trying to pronounce anything in Latin by English will butcher the language.
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