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Old 05-24-07, 01:08 AM   #1
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Some cops need to be stripped of their badge

Heres the story. I was in a hurry today to finish up in my friends shop afterschool, and in the rush to get out to do some work, I left my backpack inside. My friend noticed this and put it out front of the shop for me to pick up later. I call him at around 11 and let him know I will be popping by to pick it up, on the way over I pass a squad car and think nothing of it.

I pick up my backpack and start riding home, I pass the squad car again. A few seconds later he flashed his lights at me, I stopped and walked up to him expecting to be *****ed out for not having a helmet on. Instead, I was questioned for 35 god damn minutes about everything he could think of. He was rooting around in my pack, going through my school supplies when he pulls out my welding torch body, claiming its a piece of drug paraphernalia. Everything from a crackpipe to a tool for making meth. For **** sakes, it even says 'IOxygen Listed SA8316 Welding Torch 6Z22 VM-221' on the side of it. He eventually let me on my way, but the way he was talking down to me and treating me like some criminal pissed me off in a way I haven't been in a long time.

This is the torch that apparently I can smoke rock through :

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Old 05-24-07, 01:15 AM   #2
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He's been watching too much TV... he thought you were a drug runner! HAHAHA!

Sorry that the cops harrassed you. did you get his name and badge number? Report him to his Supervisor.
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Old 05-24-07, 01:18 AM   #3
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I got his rank and name, He'll be getting reported tomorrow. I don't want to sound like a dick on the phone right now, which I most certainly will because of my current mood...
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Old 05-24-07, 01:24 AM   #4
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Don't forget to follow that call up with a letter as well! The pen is mightier than the sword, is what my dad taught me.

Good luck!
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The pen is mightier than the sword, is what my dad taught me.
Then thank god for http://www.penisland.net/ !

Sorry that cop is a dick. Next time you should bring pepper spray.
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Old 05-24-07, 03:28 AM   #6
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Good god Mergatroid... I read that as Penis Land!
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Old 05-24-07, 04:43 AM   #7
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Good god Mergatroid... I read that as Penis Land!
Uh, me too. I was thinking it was a site to complain about Penis-heads.
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Old 05-24-07, 05:11 AM   #8
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me too (there's still something in me that says that must be a joke)
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Old 05-24-07, 05:16 AM   #9
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you must have missed the punch line

smoking crack through a welding torch how does that work??????????
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I wonder what his "probable cause" was for performing the search? I'm not asking that to imply or accuse you of anything, but if there wasn't anything to qualify as probable cause, the officer might be in a bigger heap o'trouble than expected.
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Old 05-24-07, 07:22 AM   #11
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Wethepeople -

I'm not blaming you or saying what you did was wrong, but I do feel the need to inject some legal info into this thread to, hopefully, save you some frustration. From what you posted, it sounds like the cop was just doing his job and you experienced a fairly unremarkable stop.

I'm not giving anyone advice here. I don't have nearly enough facts about your experience to give you a definite answer as to what happened, legally speaking. But here's some general info that might help you understand what happened from a legal standpoint.

First, depending on where you live, picking up a backpack from in front of a house at night is extremely suspicious to a cop's eyes. Believe it or not, the cops need less in order to stop you in a "high drug" or "high crime" area than they do in areas not so designated, where they already need very little to stop you.

Next, is wearing a helmet mandatory where you live? If it is and you weren't, the cop had an easy reason to stop you. Having seen you pick up the backpack already, he has a convenient reason to stop you and ask you some questions. Now, you don't generally have to answer or allow him to search your bag without a warrant, but I think you did the right thing given the situation - i.e., simple explanation and nothing illegal going on.

Finally, the cop doesn't need probable cause to stop you. Reasonable suspicion is all he needs, and it's a very low, very flexible threshold. There's something called a Terry Stop that allows a cop to detain a person briefly to determine whether a crime has been committed, is going on, or is about to be committed. What you experienced would probably fit somewhere on the very low end of a Terry Stop. Also, given what you posted, the cop doesn't have to give you Miranda warnings b/c you weren't in custody.

Cops are not known for their winning personalities when on duty. I'm really sorry you had an unpleasant encounter. If you decide to contact the police, or anyone else, don't be surprised if your story evokes very little outrage.
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Good god Mergatroid... I read that as Penis Land!
I read it as Jsharr Land.
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Old 05-24-07, 08:24 AM   #13
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If there ever is a next time, first thing, don't give him permission to root through your stuff. If he has probable cause, he'll do it anyway. If a cop asks for permission to search anything of yours, always say no (this from a former FBI agent, by the way, not any of my own paranoia!).

Next, if you've answered his basic questions and he starts going down the road this guy apparently took, tell him you have to go, and leave. Again, if he has cause to arrest and hold you, he will. Otherwise, if he's just on some power trip - as this guys sounds to have been - just leave.

Always be polite and respectful, but not subservient. Unless you've done something wrong, of course!
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Believe it or not, the cops need less in order to stop you in a "high drug" or "high crime"
Hell, all you have to be is a Caucasian, and they'll stop you on the suspicion that you're a narcotics purchaser.

I guess that would be a case of DWW; 'Driving While White'.
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See: NWA's "**** the police"

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lol, sounds like a great name for an amusement park
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Good god Mergatroid... I read that as Penis Land!

Oh, I somehow knew this thread would be worth it!

WORST WEB ADDRESS EVER IN LIFE!roflmao


Who advised them that was a good idea?




(And yes, both riding a bicycle and/or picking up bags is probable cause for a stop in MOST areas. Especially after the Centennial Park bombings and 9/11 + the War On Drugs.)
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Well, in the cop's defense, I've known stoners to be pretty damn creative in what they make a pipe from.

Anything from the valving on an air compressor, to a gawldarn pumpkin.


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lol, sounds like a great name for an amusement park
Michael Jackson wanted to use it for his ranch, but his attorney's got him to go with Wonderland instead.
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I can just see it, surfing the web at 3 AM, pants around ankles, tissue and lotion close by. Types in web address. "Hmmm, not exactly what I was looking for but that roller ball in tortoise shell is nice. I wonder if it comes in fine point?"
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I stand corrected. Try not to know too much about pedophile ethnicity shifting ex superstars.
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To be honest, think about it from an objective point of view. How many 18/19 year olds carry welding components vs. the number that carry drugs or drug paraphernalia? Sure it would piss me off too, but I think that you should just put it behind you.
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To be honest, think about it from an objective point of view. How many 18/19 year olds carry welding components vs. the number that carry drugs or drug paraphernalia? Sure it would piss me off too, but I think that you should just put it behind you.

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