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Old 05-30-07, 03:04 AM   #1
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You know what I want... a new bike lock design

Maybe I'm just bored, but I'd like to see some new (and decently secure) lock design for bikes. The only thing I've seen which has been close to new since 2000 or so are people who make frames that can lock to objects.

I liked the old Specialized Wedlock, or the Bike Club, but both had intrinsic flaws with their designs making them easy prey for a thief.

For example, take the Bike Club, make it out of a less brittle material, change the lock from an Ace round key lock to a Medeco or Abloy cylinder, and that could be something decent.
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Yeah i think i would rather see a revised bike club rather than a Krypto New york 3000 or an Abus Granite...Pfff.
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Old 05-30-07, 09:43 AM   #3
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I liked the bike club's design, where you can telescope it in, minimizing any gaps there. I have thought of ways to improve its design, from moving the lock to the center so it can latch both sides, requring a would-be thief to have to cut twice to remove it.

Perhaps an electronic type of lock like Mul-T-Lock Cliq that is mechanical, but also requires the key have a chip similar to auto ignitions would be a sell point.
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why not create a 2 part lock system where one part is the locking mechanism with sensor wires all through itself so whenever it get cut without being unlocked, the sensor would raise the loud "car alarm" bag attached to the frame in an out of way location (where it can be locked with the same lock easily)?

Just imagining what kind of innovations a lock could have.
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Old 05-30-07, 10:17 AM   #5
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How about something that electrifies the lock and bike...If you try to steal it, it will knock you on your butt.
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What if you lock your bike inside of your car.
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why not create a 2 part lock system where one part is the locking mechanism with sensor wires all through itself so whenever it get cut without being unlocked, the sensor would raise the loud "car alarm" bag attached to the frame in an out of way location (where it can be locked with the same lock easily)?

Just imagining what kind of innovations a lock could have.
I thought of an alarm, but not many people even glance over to see what's going on if an alarm goes off, plus false alarms just lower the quality of life for everyone.

This is what I'm trying for:

Simplicity -- can someone after drinking 8-9 shots of vodka manage to use the lock effectively (factoring out where they lock it to and what they lock up.)

Security -- There are tons of locks out there which can be defeated by well known tools. The world doesn't need a n+1 in this same category. Nothing is 100% secure, but the lock has to be at least Sold Secure Gold, where it can withstand hand tools for enough time.

Reliability -- The lock needs to be able to be able to live in frozen muck in Anchorage, mud in Florida, corrosive salt spray in California, and sand in Texas... it needs to deal with whatever elements are thrown at it.. This is why I like Abloy mechanisms -- no springs to break, but Abloy locks need to be periodically lubricated with a light Teflon oil every 3-6 months, or they have a chance of seizing up.

Surity -- the lock mechanism has to require a key to lock it, and the key is only removable when the lock is completely and obviously open, or when its completely locked. No spring actions that can be shimmed open.

Weight -- the lock can't be TOO heavy, or else it will end up on a rack and not used. One has to factor both weight and security in, which are diametrically opposed sometimes.
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I thought of an alarm, but not many people even glance over to see what's going on if an alarm goes off, plus false alarms just lower the quality of life for everyone.

This is what I'm trying for:

Simplicity -- can someone after drinking 8-9 shots of vodka manage to use the lock effectively (factoring out where they lock it to and what they lock up.)

Security -- There are tons of locks out there which can be defeated by well known tools. The world doesn't need a n+1 in this same category. Nothing is 100% secure, but the lock has to be at least Sold Secure Gold, where it can withstand hand tools for enough time.

Reliability -- The lock needs to be able to be able to live in frozen muck in Anchorage, mud in Florida, corrosive salt spray in California, and sand in Texas... it needs to deal with whatever elements are thrown at it.. This is why I like Abloy mechanisms -- no springs to break, but Abloy locks need to be periodically lubricated with a light Teflon oil every 3-6 months, or they have a chance of seizing up.

Surity -- the lock mechanism has to require a key to lock it, and the key is only removable when the lock is completely and obviously open, or when its completely locked. No spring actions that can be shimmed open.

Weight -- the lock can't be TOO heavy, or else it will end up on a rack and not used. One has to factor both weight and security in, which are diametrically opposed sometimes.
If you've had 8-9 shots, you shouldn't be walking, let alone riding a bike in traffic.

I have a more effective theft deterrent. Live where the crime isn't.
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Ever talked to a locksmith about this? They may have advice about materials, lock types, etc.
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There's always this:

Boron Steel Shackle AND chain and if you have a torch, you can cut it an about a half hour!
http://www.squireusacyclelocks.com/h...ock-chain.html
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There's always this:

Boron Steel Shackle AND chain and if you have a torch, you can cut it an about a half hour!
http://www.squireusacyclelocks.com/h...ock-chain.html
Wasn't there a Youtube vid (not sure if its real, or fake) about someone taking a good pair of bolt cutters and popping one of those off in about 5-10 secs? Same with a a number of other security chains.

I may see about a locksmith, although most locksmiths are more into maintaining, picking, correct keying of stuff rather than lock design. Its hard to improve on current designs, but I do like the way the Bike Club works, minimizing any space between the bike and the object locked to. I wonder if I can license the patent and improve on it... not sure.

I know there has to be a way to improve lock designs, its just how. Maybe a combination of new lock, and anchor object. Who knows.
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I liked the bike club's design, where you can telescope it in, minimizing any gaps there. I have thought of ways to improve its design, from moving the lock to the center so it can latch both sides, requring a would-be thief to have to cut twice to remove it.

Perhaps an electronic type of lock like Mul-T-Lock Cliq that is mechanical, but also requires the key have a chip similar to auto ignitions would be a sell point.
Perhaps a lock with an equivalant of a stick of dynamite in the tube so when tampered with it explodes...Perhaps...perhaps....who knows.
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Wasn't there a Youtube vid (not sure if its real, or fake) about someone taking a good pair of bolt cutters and popping one of those off in about 5-10 secs? Same with a a number of other security chains.

I may see about a locksmith, although most locksmiths are more into maintaining, picking, correct keying of stuff rather than lock design. Its hard to improve on current designs, but I do like the way the Bike Club works, minimizing any space between the bike and the object locked to. I wonder if I can license the patent and improve on it... not sure.

I know there has to be a way to improve lock designs, its just how. Maybe a combination of new lock, and anchor object. Who knows.
Boron steel will notch the blades of a bolt cutter. The You Tube video was a standard steel chain. We use Boron Steel locks to secure the trailer doors on high value loads in the trucking industry (not that it really does all that much good.......just slice the hinges and latch cams and remove the doors in about 4 minutes if you have a couple of guys )
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Not a lock, but they have these radio trackers for dogs--you put the transmitter on the dog's collar and you can track it using a receiver. You could put one of those on your bike. Of course, it won't do anything to prevent someone from stealing your bike, but you could find the thief and your bike.
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