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Old 06-19-07, 12:35 PM   #1
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Bear deterrants

Well we're wanting to climb the grand tetons, all the way up. It's going to include back country hiking. I'm reading all this stuff about Grizzly bears, and I must say I'm about 2 seconds away from saying screw going to the Tetons. I know there's bear peppers spray, but honestly there are those scarce cases where it hasn't worked. It's not comforting enough for me, I need more comfort than just pepper spray. The only other thing I can think is a pistol, but really. I'm not old enough to carry a pistol, and I don't have the money for one. Another thing that I can think is carrying a machete with me, that's like my last possible thought. Any ideas suggestions?
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Phobias are for irrational fears. Fear of junk ripping badgers is perfectly rational. Those things are nasty.
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Well we're wanting to climb the grand tetons, all the way up. It's going to include back country hiking. I'm reading all this stuff about Grizzly bears, and I must say I'm about 2 seconds away from saying screw going to the Tetons. I know there's bear peppers spray, but honestly there are those scarce cases where it hasn't worked. It's not comforting enough for me, I need more comfort than just pepper spray. The only other thing I can think is a pistol, but really. I'm not old enough to carry a pistol, and I don't have the money for one. Another thing that I can think is carrying a machete with me, that's like my last possible thought. Any ideas suggestions?
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Well...from what I've heard, a pistol won't do too much other than make a grizzly madder than all hades.
A machette...what are planning to do, end it all before the bear gets you?

I think people and bear encounters are seriously rare events. Most animals don't want anything to do with us humans. Just make a lot of noise by talking, singing, or whistling while you hike. And don't go alone...just make sure you aren't the slowest runner in your group.
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I need some kind of comfort, not sure what, but I need something.

We're going to get a bear pepper spray can. The machete for brush cutting and/or whatever we need. I'm just trying to think of something to make me feel better. We would need a large caliber pistol if we were carrying a weapon.
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Cover yourself in babies. The bear will probably get full of them before he ever gets to you and just leave.
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You guys are teh sux0rs!
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when i was in montana we didn't see a single bear. check out this video. it pretty much sums up what you need to do to keep yogi from joining your hike. i'm going to the smokies this weekend so i'll be in bear country, too!
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I need some kind of comfort, not sure what, but I need something.

We're going to get a bear pepper spray can. The machete for brush cutting and/or whatever we need. I'm just trying to think of something to make me feel better. We would need a large caliber pistol if we were carrying a weapon.
How about a fog horn? It might be loud enough to freak that bear out...and possibly summon help at the same time.
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If you encounter a bear, scream like a girl, then kick it as hard as you can in the nuts/ovaries.

It won't save you, but if anyone is watching from afar, it will make for an amusing story.
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Yep that's a good idea KT. That's one thing I read, try to scare them off with noise. A fog horn, and they actually make special ones for bears.
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Fact: Bear deterrents aren't 100% effective, but are better than nothing! They will deter an inquisitive bear, or a "Bluff charge". They may not deter an actual predation attempt though,especially with a larger Black or Grizzly Bear.

Other fact: The myth of play dead is a myth indeed and will wind up with you being the Bears dinner. Fight back as hard as you can.....either make it earn it's dinner or decide that you are too much trouble.
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I read about a preacher who got chased by a bear. Ended up at the edge of a cliff. To save himself the preacher turned and faced the bear and prayed that the bear become a Christian bear.

Right before the bear ate the preacher, it dropped to it's knees and said " Dear Lord, Thank You for this food which you have so graciously provided."
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Other fact: The myth of play dead is a myth indeed and will wind up with you being the Bears dinner. Fight back as hard as you can.....either make it earn it's dinner or decide that you are too much trouble.
Now that I'm in PNW, it's bear country around here. I just heard a story the other day about bears coming close to recreational trails in some places, so they gave some bear tips.

That was one (only one I remember actually). They said if one comes at you and you can't get away, fight. Don't play dead or anything like that....fight that bugger.
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First you need to know what kind of bear you are dealing with. Now black bear you can tell by the berries in its feces.

Wear bells on your shoes to scare off the black bear and carry pepper in case one comes too near.

On the other hand, the feces of a grizzly bear smells like pepper and has all these little bells in it.
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Cool. Fight a 400 pound bear while it's ripping my entrails out. That idea sounds fun.
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First you need to know what kind of bear you are dealing with. Now black bear you can tell by the berries in its feces.

Wear bells on your shoes to scare off the black bear and carry pepper in case one comes too near.

On the other hand, the feces of a grizzly bear smells like pepper and has all these little bells in it.
Scrap Metal,that's a direct quote from a memo that was circulation Alaska Fish and Wildlife via fax a few years ago!
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Now that I'm in PNW, it's bear country around here. I just heard a story the other day about bears coming close to recreational trails in some places, so they gave some bear tips.

That was one (only one I remember actually). They said if one comes at you and you can't get away, fight. Don't play dead or anything like that....fight that bugger.
yes, good kick between the legs works miracles; check it out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_VlVckrUgY
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Suggestions for certain pepper spray brands that are consider best working?

Where can I buy some?
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REI or at the park - we returned ours at REI when we didn't use it. they didn't care (or at least show it).
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Scrap Metal,that's a direct quote from a memo that was circulation Alaska Fish and Wildlife via fax a few years ago!
I dont doubt it - but as a matter of fact I heard it first time in czech language as a joke and learned the english version much later.

Jokes are mostly international.
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You'd best be able to tell bear species apart. Search online for how to tell them apart; look for size, a grizzly's distinctive shoulder hump and dish face.
They have weak eyesight but extremely good smell. Grizzly bears are generally too big to climb trees. Black bears aren't, and climb easily. If you make noise, shout and make yourself bigger, black bears will run away. Grizzly bears *might* stand and confront you, but generally would rather run, also. UNLESS it is a mother with cubs. Then, my friend, you are S.O.L. Both can outrun you. Neither is fooled by "playing dead". Make your presence known when you are out in the woods. Don't surprise a bear. If you do, don't run immediately, that inflames their predator instincts to chase you. Bear spray is a good deterrent, though not a guarantee. I'm trying to remember good brands off the top of my head.
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That's a lot to remember. I think if I ever came upon a bear, the only thing going through my head would be "HOLY **** A BEAR RUN FOR YOUR LIFE", or quite possibly just "AHHHHHHHHHH!".
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No, all you really have to do is yell that while you're walking through the woods, BEFORE you meet a bear. Then you won't. Meet a bear, I mean.

I've seen a grizzly from afar once and I've seen black bears several times. They're magnificent, if a little scary...
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