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    another cat...FAB! stevesurf's Avatar
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    Have we killed Retail?

    ...by demanding relatively low prices?
    http://www.startribune.com/535/story/1253949.html
    Electronics retailers struggle after flat-panel TV prices decrease
    The decline in flat-panel TV prices has caused havoc for electronic retailers that must offer continued discounts to remain competitive. Circuit City blames the trend for its decision to replace 3,400 clerks with lower-paid employees, Tweeter Home Entertainment has filed for Chapter 11, and CompUSA has closed more than half of its stores nationwide. Star Tribune (Minneapolis-St. Paul) (6/18)
    ...sometimes there may be significant human consequences if we don't pay what a typical product is worth...


    http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont....18cc9289.html
    Whole Foods Market Inc. said Monday that it has extended its offer to buy smaller rival Wild Oats Market.
    I really like the way Wild Oats is now; I'm hoping they stay that way...

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    On a positive note...

    http://www.internetretailer.com/dailyNews.asp?id=22791
    "Green" merchants, such as Patagonia and Backcountry.com, that promote environmentally friendly products have won a place on the new ShopGreen section of PriceGrabber.com. More than 20,000 green products are featured in the new section, an idea that took off when PriceGrabber executives realized there is no central location for consumers who want to shop green.

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    Why do you hate free enterprise?

    Quote Originally Posted by stevesurf
    ...sometimes there may be significant human consequences if we don't pay what a typical product is worth...
    The consequence is that the product won't be made anymore. Whoop-de-do. If people don't value a product highly enough to pay what it costs, it dissappears.

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    The real question is have we killed the radio star.
    In the words of Einstein
    "And now I think I'll take a bath"

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    no, video did that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vpiuva
    Why do you hate free enterprise? The consequence is that the product won't be made anymore. Whoop-de-do. If people don't value a product highly enough to pay what it costs, it dissappears.
    I'm actually making the point that the services disappear. The ability to speak to a person about how a product works, at a local retailer may be disappearing

    There may even be some folks on BF that will be affected, either way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevesurf
    I'm actually making the point that the services disappear. The ability to speak to a person about how a product works, at a local retailer may be disappearing, or more difficult.
    Yeah, well, paying a five-buck minimum wage does not motivate retail service people to make much of an effort.
    Hi. I don't think we've been introduced. I'm awesome.

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    from someone who has worked retail pretty much his whole working career: if retail is dead, i'll personally make the tombstone.

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    Two trends bother me:

    1: People in the service industry are paid so low with wages forced down as low as possible, there is absolutely zero interest in doing nothing other than the bare minimum in keeping the job. If people were paid a wage decent enough that a 40-50 hour a week job could keep a roof over heads, compared to having to work 80 hours a week, you might see people actually take pride in their work again.

    2: The fact that because of this, people buy cheaper and cheaper goods, made with poorer and poorer QA, and materials. This is done both willingly and forced upon them by trend #1. Planned obsolescence is the assumed style of choice these days.

    My experience in the IT industry has been that companies (in general, of course) who treat their employees like people will have far better morale, and far fewer issues with employee theft or theft of intellectual property than employers who are trying to save the last buck when it comes to HR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsharr
    no, video did that.
    who watches videos any more?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DocRay
    who watches videos any more?
    Judging by the success of utube, nobody, nobody at all.
    In the words of Einstein
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    Quote Originally Posted by squegeeboo
    Judging by the success of utube, nobody, nobody at all.
    there are music videos on youtube? I don't get youtube: same stuff as on TV, except grainy and small.

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    That article is actually a lot more about TV's than about retail in my opinion. It reminds me of the huge mess that lies ahead for the television consumer. In 2009, the analog sinals that most current CRT TV's work with goes dead. This will require a bunch of gadgetry and confusion and will leave people in a melluva'hess.

    I am sort of "into" electronics and don't even know completely what to expect. There is so little information out there for the consumer it is almost fraudulent. For example, how many people know to check and see if there new tv has an ATSC tuner? Some LCD TV's on the market don't. What does that mean? It means you will need an adaptor for that tv just like the rest of your crappy old ones.

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    Good pay and benefits, until that is, the company goes out of business.
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    I think retail stores would do much better if they weren't trying to screw people all the time.

    If you have any knowledge in electronics you can see it
    If you work for a retail company you can see it
    If you work for a retail company and have any knowledge in electronics you can really see it

    I fit in the last of the three and uhh...i try to avoid the stores as much as i can.

    This will require a bunch of gadgetry and confusion and will leave people in a melluva'hess
    I dunno about that. Go buy a new TV, at that point any TV will work soooo it would be a matter of getting whatever you want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsharr
    no, video did that.
    Showing your age, knowing that song!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevesurf
    I'm actually making the point that the services disappear. The ability to speak to a person about how a product works, at a local retailer may be disappearing

    There may even be some folks on BF that will be affected, either way.
    I don't think that Wal-Mart killed it.

    The problem was that companies overcharged so badly that they caused Wal-Mart to step in.
    Brookshire Market . nice place, very tiny selection of food but nice place.
    26 dollars buys you some strawberries, some kiwi and somewhipped creap.
    15 dollars or less buys you the same stuff and more at sam's club or wal-mart

    Why the 100% Markup from wal-mart for the exact same food, 97% of which is from the exact same brands?

    Sorry but when i see a say 135% markup - i say to myself - you know i could offer this product for so much lesss . And that's what Wal-Mart did - I am sure that if the average markup on the same **** wasn't as bad as it was then perhaps wal-mart would never be as successful as it is.

    There's just no reason to pay so much money for so little food or what not. It only increases inflation even worse.
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    I cringe just thinking about going to circuit chity to buy something. The last time my friend wanted to buy a computer, we spent the better part of an hour and a half being bounced from brainless drone employee to brainless drone employee at checkout counter to brainless drone employee who wheels the box to your car because they don't trust you to walk it out the front door. An hour of internet research trumps the knowledge you can get from the employees at a retail electronics store. The employees who buck the trend are working at best buy, they seem to want to help you and have more knowledge of the products...or maybe they were the smart ones who best buy stole from the local circuit chity?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mlts22
    1: People in the service industry are paid so low with wages forced down as low as possible, there is absolutely zero interest in doing nothing other than the bare minimum in keeping the job. If people were paid a wage decent enough that a 40-50 hour a week job could keep a roof over heads, compared to having to work 80 hours a week, you might see people actually take pride in their work again.
    I started off (sorry - WHEN I WAS A BOY ) in retail working for low wages. I worked hard. I figured if I accepted the job for the pay, well, I was going to work hard. Pretty soon people noticed and I was promoted. After a while - other companies noticed, and I got a better job. I studied hard on the weekends - and pretty soon had a new career(s). I have no education higher than High School.

    Eventually, I ended up owning my own companies. I will say this - I have never seen a person work hard because of how much they were paid - I have seen slackers at all pay scales. You work hard because it is ethical to do so. If you accept the job, you accept the work. If you do work beyond you pay - SOMEONE will almost certainly make you an offer you can't refuse. After all, those who work hard aren't exactly a dime a dozen.

    just my dos colones

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    Quote Originally Posted by crtreedude
    . If you do work beyond you pay - SOMEONE will almost certainly make you an offer you can't refuse. After all, those who work hard aren't exactly a dime a dozen.

    just my dos colones
    Over One decade later and I'm still waiting to find somebody who actually walks the walk and talks the talk in regards to recognizing and rewarding hard working and above and beyond the call of duty.
    Life is about hanging onto what you think is important and finding out what really is important.
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    Well, I sure do. We pay above going wage with full benefits (health, retirement) and we have the best workers you ever saw. I can't help it if other business are stupid... I like stealing their good employees.

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    Good pay and benefits, until that is, the company goes out of business.
    There's two sides to everything. The UAW have a good union, but they also insist that GM should pay $17M in Viagra for their workers...small wonder they are relocating out of the US.

    http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news0...gm_viagra.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by TexasGuy
    Over One decade later and I'm still waiting to find somebody who actually walks the walk and talks the talk in regards to recognizing and rewarding hard working and above and beyond the call of duty.
    Its ironic that one of the best career moves for long term security is starting one's own business... at least you know who has your 401k.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mlts22
    Its ironic that one of the best career moves for long term security is starting one's own business... at least you know who has your 401k.
    That really only works though if you're selling something that somebody can't steal.
    As a consultant I see companies that talk the talk but won't walk the walk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DocRay
    There's two sides to everything. The UAW have a good union, but they also insist that GM should pay $17M in Viagra for their workers...small wonder they are relocating out of the US.

    http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news0...gm_viagra.html
    No wonder why Chrysler is worth 7 billion dollars and owes 19 billion dollars in retired health care benefits. Geesh. paying for viagra.
    Life is about hanging onto what you think is important and finding out what really is important.
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    You also have to not be afraid to switch lateral if the current company is not allow you to move. Large companies are much more of a problem than smaller ones. I stayed in small where you are noticed - for good and for bad.

    I always knew I was in a bad company when reading Dilbert would start making me angry...

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