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Old 06-21-07, 05:13 AM   #1
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Slight pay discepancy

So I have a slight discrepancy at work, when it comes to pay. I just started at a new job Monday. On the 2nd day, I got a little "Welcome to Phase II" packet. But then there was a sheet that said what my hourly pay would be. The thing is, the guy who hired me (one of the Engineers put in charge of finding a new employee) and interviewed me told me they are willing to give me 10% more than that, because of the extra skills I have which they did not expect, mainly machining. So I accepted the job based on a 10% pay increase, relative to where I was before.
I asked the HR lady about this, and she said she had no idea, and that the president told her what to put down. So it sounds like the engineer didn't tell the president that I would be hired for 10% more than the normal, starting rate. I feel like I am entitled to what the Engineer said, because I never once met the president, and I took the job based on that.

The HR lady said she is pretty sure I will get what the engineer told me if he told me that, and that she will "follow up on it". I have not heard anything back though.
1. Am I actually right, in that I should get what the engineer told me?
2. Would it be appropriate to follow up on this, just ask the HR lady if everything is set yet? All of employee payments are handled by a separate company called ADP total source, so she would have to notify them about a different pay rate.
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Old 06-21-07, 05:25 AM   #2
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What is the length of time for your pay period?

Did you send an email to HR? Or talk verbally?

More than likely just a misunderstanding. Why not send an email to HR and copy in the original engineer?
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- document everything

- only what's on paper counts

- this stuff happens all the time... the wife unit recently switched jobs... during the job search, she interviewed at Raymond James (she works in the mutual fund industry)... the interviewer quoted her an annual salary figure, but when HR sent the offer letter she was low-balled by more than $10K...

(needless to say, she found a different job - and for more money than the original quote; the funny thing is, subsequent positions have gone un-filled and in-house counsel positions there seem to be on a rotating basis - Raymond James must be an awful place to work)

- don't ever sell yourself short!

- follow up!
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Old 06-21-07, 06:18 AM   #4
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Tell the guy who offered you 10% more about this and the two of you sort it out with payroll
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Old 06-21-07, 06:31 AM   #5
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Were you ever given a formal job offer in writing? If so, did that reflect the pay negotiated with the interviewer? If it did I would submit that with a pleasant, formal and non-accusatory letter to HR and cc it to the President and the hiring Engineer. If you never got a formal offer and accepted the job based on oral agreements I would write a pleasant and formal letter to the hiring Engineer and cc it to HR explaining what you understood to be the agreement and asking for clarification (make sure HR gets a copy of the clarification response). This should clear anything up.

The most important thing is to remain calm and don't blame anyone. It sounds like this is a larger company and there are many people involved in bringing new employees on and sometimes communication breaks down. The more pleasant and patient you are about the situation the more likely people in the company will be to help you now and in the future. Don't let them walk all over you but don't burst into offices ranting and raving about how you're getting screwed either. There is a happy medium.

Best of luck getting this fixed.
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Old 06-21-07, 06:32 AM   #6
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Yes go directly to the source.

Goodluck I hope its nothing more then just a failure of communication.
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Old 06-21-07, 06:57 AM   #8
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What did GWB ever do to him?

(Not that I'd object, just sayn'!)
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Didn't you get an official offer letter?
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Tell the guy who offered you 10% more about this and the two of you sort it out with payroll
This would be my course of action too.
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Tell the guy who offered you 10% more about this and the two of you sort it out with payroll
Yeah actually, seriously, that's right on the money. It's assertive and clear. Leaves no room for confusion and shows that you have the confidence in yourself and a non-weasely nature. And all that management bs
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Tell the guy who offered you 10% more about this and the two of you sort it out with payroll
I agree with this, too. Also agree that you do not want to come off as "angry," certainly not at first. Be respectful, be professional, but be firm. If they give you a "take it or leave it" answer, you have to decide what you want to do. Personally, at that point, I'd start looking for another job (starting with your last place, as long as you left on good terms and liked it there) because if they'll screw you on the front end, you can bet the ranch they'll screw you on the back end and in the middle, too.

Do you have a right to the higher pay? Yes, an oral contract is as enforceable as a written one (with a few exceptions that do not apply here). There is a practical problem of course: demonstrating the oral contract exists. But if the enigineer who hired you is a stand-up person and backs up your story, the company is legally (and morally) bound to honor the agreement.

Okay, that's the theoretical answer. As for the practicalities of enforcing your rights if they jerk you around? Not so easy. PM me if that becomes an issue and we'll see what practical options you have.
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Too bad. Get your **** in writing next time, and signed. Next please.
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Well, they didn't tell me what my pay would be at the interview. They said it needed to be determined.
A week later when they left a message on my cell saying I got the job, I emailed asking my pay, and he said it would be be 11 hourly and go up another dollar after a month (assuming I don't do anyhting dumb). I am really liking this job, far more than my previous. It actually makes me THINk, and I am not just a production guy. I like having my own comp, cubicle, and pretty much manage their little machine shop. THe HR lady, when I spoke to her, said 10 dollars was hte normal starting rate. SHe said "Im sure it will be 11 if Zach (engineer) told you that).
Even if they only gave me 10, I would stay. I get an hour lunch break, I can come in and leave whenever I want (within reason). We shoot off fireworks for fun, we grill chicken every thursday. Much more fun than my old job! I think I'll go to HR tomorrow for a follow up visit though. They never expected machining skills from people who applied for this job, they even told me so. ANd I believe they are making very good use of it, and I am saving them money because they don't have to outsource their stuff anymore.
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Well, they didn't tell me what my pay would be at the interview. They said it needed to be determined.
A week later when they left a message on my cell saying I got the job, I emailed asking my pay, and he said it would be be 11 hourly and go up another dollar after a month (assuming I don't do anyhting dumb). I am really liking this job, far more than my previous. It actually makes me THINk, and I am not just a production guy. I like having my own comp, cubicle, and pretty much manage their little machine shop. THe HR lady, when I spoke to her, said 10 dollars was hte normal starting rate. SHe said "Im sure it will be 11 if Zach (engineer) told you that).
Even if they only gave me 10, I would stay. I get an hour lunch break, I can come in and leave whenever I want (within reason). We shoot off fireworks for fun, we grill chicken every thursday. Much more fun than my old job! I think I'll go to HR tomorrow for a follow up visit though. They never expected machining skills from people who applied for this job, they even told me so. ANd I believe they are making very good use of it, and I am saving them money because they don't have to outsource their stuff anymore.
Sounds like a great job, I'd still press for the $11/hour cause thats what they told you, but don't cause too much of a stink, a nice job at $10/hour is still better than no job at all or probably anything else you can find...
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I will certainly press for 11/hour. It is what they told me (or at least the guy designated to find an employee), and it was the condition I accepted when I accepted the job. I have to go to HR to get reimbursed for a Home depot purchase tomorrow anyways, so I'll bring it up then
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Old 06-22-07, 07:48 AM   #17
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did he respond via e-mail to your pay question or did he call a 2nd time?
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