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Old 06-24-07, 08:15 AM   #1
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Pitbulls aren't violent. Yeah right....

You always see these dumb pit bull owners on TV defending the breed and saying how harmless they are, and how it is the owners fault that they attack. Here is a story where a pitbull puppy attacks a baby. Who taught this PUPPY to attack a baby? http://www.kwch.com/Global/story.asp?S=6693392

Search around on that page and you'll see video where they say it was a pitbull.
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Sweet zombie jeebus! The dog didn't attack, it's a puppy, puppys don't attack, they play. The puppy thought the kid was a chew toy.

Ite important aspect was covered in the first 5 seconds of the viedo...
DON'T LEAVE SMALL CHILDREN UNATTENDED AROUND ANIMALS!!!
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I'm Trinity's chew toy. And she's 100% purebred mutt.
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And for this the dog was euthanized?

Sad, very sad indeed.
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The video said the baby wasn't crying. I wonder how big the bite really was. That puppy seemed to be younger than Trinity and Trinity will often come up to me and start gnawing on my arm. Of couse she gets told "no bite!" but I also provide chew toys for a TEETHING puppy.
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The officer said the puppy was chewing on part of the baby's heel. Apparently while it was not attached to the baby. Obviously the baby was left unattended and there was neglect, but I just thought hmmmmmmmm, how ironic that the puppy was a pit bull.
They otta euthanize all of them.
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It's not the dogs, it's the owners we should euthanize!
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It's not the dogs, it's the owners we should euthanize!
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Train the owners to train the dogs. There are dogs of ALL breeds that should be euthanized.
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That report is so vague nothing even remotely solid can be drawn from it.

Pitbulls are kind, gentle dogs. It's the owners of the bad apples that need education.
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This video and story paints a different picture about pit bulls and their MORON owners.



http://www.wtsp.com/news/local/artic...?storyid=57522
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Pit bulls were bred to fight in pits. It's in their blood.
I favor laws that hold owners as accountable for such things as if
they did the act themselves. It's really the only way. If they get a
dog with a tendency towards violence they should know they are also
facing a jail sentence if the dog does what it was bred to do.
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Pit Bulls are illegal in my city. FTW.
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I used to believe that it was "always" the owners and not the dogs. I was totally on that page where I said "blame the owners".

Then I got my Greyhounds and started going to the local dog park all the time. There were lots of Pit Bulls in there. After a few years at the dog park I can tell you that there IS something about that breed. They are very loving and playful and calm almost all of the time, but...... Every now and then they just "snap" over seemingly nothing. I've seen them "snap" many times and aggressively start a fight and hurt another dog many times.

I saw this in MANY Pit Bulls, but seldom with other breeds. So yes, they are fun and loving and sweet, but they do have this weird "snap" tendency which is when they do those crazy aggressive things.

You have to realize that dogs while loving still have instincts especially the behaviors that they were BRED to do. My Greyhounds are loving, fast and all, but the HOUNDS, so I have to be careful with them around small animals. They have always been fine, but if a small dog is in the park, I'll watch them VERY CLOSELY. Pit Bulls were bred for fighting, fighting and aggression is in their blood. They can't help it, idiots who started the breed, bred them for those behaviors.
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I used to believe that it was "always" the owners and not the dogs. I was totally on that page where I said "blame the owners".

Then I got my Greyhounds and started going to the local dog park all the time. There were lots of Pit Bulls in there. After a few years at the dog park I can tell you that there IS something about that breed. They are very loving and playful and calm almost all of the time, but...... Every now and then they just "snap" over seemingly nothing. I've seen them "snap" many times and aggressively start a fight and hurt another dog many times.

I saw this in MANY Pit Bulls, but seldom with other breeds. So yes, they are fun and loving and sweet, but they do have this weird "snap" tendency which is when they do those crazy aggressive things.

You have to realize that dogs while loving still have instincts especially the behaviors that they were BRED to do. My Greyhounds are loving, fast and all, but the HOUNDS, so I have to be careful with them around small animals. They have always been fine, but if a small dog is in the park, I'll watch them VERY CLOSELY. Pit Bulls were bred for fighting, fighting and aggression is in their blood. They can't help it, idiots who started the breed, bred them for those behaviors.
Yeah. becaue it is BRED into them. Greyhounds are a good example, so I'm glad you mention them. Racing greyhounds are very mild mannered most of the time, but put a rabbit in front of them and put them on a track and watch out.

I grew up around "coyote dogs." They were mainly greyhound with some stag hound mixed in. Same thing applied. THey were very mild mannered most of the time, but once they see a coyote, they go completely into kill and attack mode.

When they are dumped on a coyote, they have one thing and only one thing on there mind and depending on which dog it is in the pack he will either, catch or kill. When you go up to pull the dogs off of the dying coyote, you can feel the adrenaline coming off of the dogs. It seems like it is just at those moments that the dogs are truly happy. Often times they would have HUGE wounds and the head and neck and not even be remotely fazed. Again, it is there primary desire in life.

Nobody TEACHES coyote dogs to attack and or kill coyotes. It is in their blood. It is what they were bred for. Nobody TEACHES pitbulls to kill or attack either. They have this desire bred into them. You might be able to argue that you can possibly diminish their desire to exhibit this trait, but it is there just waiting to pour out, regardless of what you do.


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Some of the nicest dogs I have ever met are Pits. Some of the nastiest were also Pits. I know this much, I would NEVER have a dog that I couldn't beat down, and I wouldn't trust a dog of any size around a baby.
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I've had pits before, their are as gentle as you raise them. Even fierce guard dogs like the Caucasian Ovtcharka are loyal to their family. The pit in the story above was a pup, and the owners were idiots.
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I think this article is well-written and sums up the issues surrounding the dog we all refer to as a "pitbull". I think it's interesting that the breed did better on the American Temperament Test than either Dalmations or Cocker Spaniels.

To me, there's something seriously wrong in that household if the baby wasn't crying from what happened.
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Some of the nicest dogs I have ever met are Pits. Some of the nastiest were also Pits. I know this much, I would NEVER have a dog that I couldn't beat down, and I wouldn't trust a dog of any size around a baby.

Ain't nutin' like a good beat down.
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I seriously believe that. I used to know a guy who had a 200 lb bull mastif. It went nuts, and he kicked its ass. This guy weighs 275 pounds and will carry huge I beams over his shoulder, so he's fine with big dogs. But me personaly, I think that a dog over 125 pounds would be beyond what I'd want. Except maybe a great dane. Those things are pansies.
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The problem is that the Pit Bull is not an established breed with responsable breeders. There are plenty of breeds that were originally bloodthirsy killing machines, but have over the years thru a breeding program focused on temperament have turned them into the most gentle dogs. Great Danes, Mastiffs, etc. You should have to meet certain standards to be able to own an unfixed dog.
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I have a Cocker Spaniel named Silky. He is just about 1 year old. Most loving dog you ever saw. DON'T WALK ON THE PROPERTY WITHOUT ME THERE - ESPECIALLY IF ONLY MY WIFE IS HOME. He will eat you. I have never seen anything like him.

He loves to play catch - will wear you out. If you throw the ball, he will get it and bring it back to me - not you. Unless I tell him to - and then he will bring it to you. He keeps his distance from everyone except Amy and I. He will play will kids, but once I come up - they are abandoned.

This isn't my great training. (though I am good at training dogs) - it is the breed. Very loyal and VERY territorial. I could well believe that a Cocker Spaniel rated worse than a Pit Bull.

He is a great dog when you handle him correct - if he wasn't trained correctly - a big problem. He is very intelligent - I am always amazed how fast he learns and afraid of nothing - except toads. I kid you not. Of course we have tropical toads nearly his size who invade his space at night...

When he is being particularly nuts I accuse him of licking toads... sometimes I wonder. The only reason he is not as dangerous as a Pit Bull is size.
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The problem is that the Pit Bull is not an established breed with responsable breeders. There are plenty of breeds that were originally bloodthirsy killing machines, but have over the years thru a breeding program focused on temperament have turned them into the most gentle dogs. Great Danes, Mastiffs, etc. You should have to meet certain standards to be able to own an unfixed dog.
This is a very good point. If I had my heart set on a pit bull, I'd be spending a lot of time looking into responsible breeders who had an agenda of bringing gentler, more predictable dogs into the breed's gene pool. I don't think I would have a rescued pit bull unless I knew the recent breeding trends in it's line. This would be doubly true if I still lived in the Detroit area. Drug dealers and members of that organized crime subculture have been breeding pit bulls for the last 30 years for the specific purpose of dog fighting. The Michigan Humane Society euthanizes all pit bulls they rescue because they cannot be certain of their genetic heritage and training past. It's really sad, but I see where they're coming from.

The pit bulls here in Portand strike me as being gentler as a whole. I've known some real sweethearts, but I'm still wary. (I say this having lived with a Doberwoman for many years.)
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They otta euthanize all of them.
I thought you were a decent person until I read this. I guess not. You want to come euthanize my pitbulls, you better come prepared.
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I thought you were a decent person until I read this. I guess not. You want to come euthanize my pitbulls, you better come prepared.
I'm sorry you were mislead.
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