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Old 06-26-07, 11:46 PM   #1
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Ooooooooooooo SHINY!!!!!

Are Doctors being too loose with their verdict of attention deficit dissorder or are our kids just more skrewed up then we were? I CAN"T TELL but all I know is that kids that take their ridallen aren't themselves and I don't like it.
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Old 06-26-07, 11:53 PM   #2
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Are Doctors being too loose with their verdict of attention deficit dissorder or are our kids just more skrewed up then we were? I CAN"T TELL but all I know is that kids that take their ridallen aren't themselves and I don't like it.
I am 42, they wanted to put me on drugs for ADD when I was a child, before they started going overboard with it as they are today. My mother refused to do it. Found out later in life that I was a little brighter then average, so probably was just getting bored too easily. I think there probably are such things as ADD and ADHD, but that its WAYYYYYYYYYY over-diagnosed, and teachers are looking for an easy way to pacify. I think teachers probably have much larger class sizes then when I was younger also, so it must be harder for them to control a bunch of energetic little people. The situation is sad really.
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I agree completely!

It's way too overdone now...
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Are Doctors being too loose with their verdict of attention deficit dissorder or are our kids just more skrewed up then we were? I CAN"T TELL but all I know is that kids that take their ridallen aren't themselves and I don't like it.
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Old 06-27-07, 03:07 AM   #5
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Are Doctors being too loose with their verdict of attention deficit dissorder or are our kids just more skrewed up then we were? I CAN"T TELL but all I know is that kids that take their ridallen aren't themselves and I don't like it.


uh-hem.. ; *disorder* .. *screwed* .. *ritalin* (*take some*)..
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Actually, the diagnosis for disorders is changing rapidly too, as is the understanding of disorders.
Take autism for instance, that's one I've read a bit about, it used to be a clearcut yes or no to the diagnosis, but now it's much more of a 'spectrum' disorder with varying levels of autism as per the autism spectrum.
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Old 06-27-07, 05:00 AM   #7
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I think ADD is over-diagnosed....if that many are ADD than just maybe ADD is actually normal.

Think about it, if everyone is claimed to have a psychological disorder (the same one), then wouldn't it be true that everyone was normal, since after all psychology is based on societal norms?
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I think ADD is over-diagnosed....if that many are ADD than just maybe ADD is actually normal.

Think about it, if everyone is claimed to have a psychological disorder (the same one), then wouldn't it be true that everyone was normal, since after all psychology is based on societal norms?
They should ban ritalin and give speed to normal kids.
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Old 06-27-07, 07:16 AM   #9
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Ritalin is closer to cocaine actually.
ADD was first called reward deficiency disorder I believe. It had to do with an inhibition to dopamine release in the brain coupled with an apparant lack of a filter between stimuli and problems with focusing. This has been said to be due to an abnormality in the areas of the substantia nigra and locus ceruleus parts of the brain. The substantia nigra controls dopamineragic response and is the center for reward response and addiction. The locus ceruleus deals more with focus and response to stress.

One of the reasons the diagnosis of ADD/ADHD is more common today is simply the research behind it. The disorder was not well known even as late as the 80's and much perscription didn't occur until the 1990's. There is a strong link to alcoholism and heredity with ADD. That is, it's found that if any of the parents were chronic alcoholics, their kids are likely to be prone to addiction and have ADD. This is not always the case, but there is a very strong correlation. I've been reading a book by doctors David Miller and Kenneth Blum on the matter. The correlation between ADD and alcoholism was seen first when working with relapse alcoholics.

That said, ADD today is over diagnosed and way overmedicated. There are still people who believe it either doesn't exist or is due to refined sugar and other such bull****. These people are ignorant.
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uh-hem.. ; *disorder* .. *screwed* .. *ritalin* (*take some*)..
Am I the only one that just had lightbulb go off in their head?


Ooooh.....now I get it.
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I have no idea if it is overdiagnosed, but lets assume it isn't. How has our society changed in the last 20 years that would cause so many kids to have ADD?

TV, video games, cell phones, computer usage etc.... These are all things that have been shown to alter brain chemistry in children. Children also don't recieve the same degree of discipline as they did in the 50's, 60's and 70's. Kids have no concept of patience, rules or boundries. They want what they want and they want it NOW. If a child is raised to have everything fast paced, instant, and no rewards for patience, then how can we expect them to sit still and pay attention for 45 minutes in math class?
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I understand what you're getting at here. I agree to some extent. The thing is, there aren't necessarily more people with ADD than there were in the 50's 60's and 70's. The disorder literally was not known during those times. How can you be diagnosed with something that has not been discovered? Also, up until a certain time, it was only believed to be a childhood thing. That is, until a good number of adults who were children or teenagers in the 60's and 70's were diagnosed.
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Old 06-27-07, 09:37 AM   #14
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Mmmmmmmmmmmmm...ShiniER! Naturally, in the shade. Not photoshopped like the above pic.



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Old 06-27-07, 09:42 AM   #15
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And WTF is with Autism? ITS JUST BEING SHY!
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Mine has discs. PWNED [lol]
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Old 06-27-07, 09:47 AM   #18
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On a ROAD bike?? Not very weight weenie of you! *shakes head*
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And WTF is with Autism? ITS JUST BEING SHY!

Hardly. Have three nephews/nieces who have various forms of autism - the worst being the oldest boy (11) who can't communicate, prefers to stare off in space in a ball on his mother's lap - he's an aggressive biter and needs restraining at times - his other cousins, etc not afflicted with it don't like to be around him due to his violent ways.
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On a ROAD bike?? Not very weight weenie of you! *shakes head*
Yes, I use my K2 Attack 1.0SE bike on roads, sometimes.
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Hardly. Have three nephews/nieces who have various forms of autism - the worst being the oldest boy (11) who can't communicate, prefers to stare off in space in a ball on his mother's lap - he's an aggressive biter and needs restraining at times - his other cousins, etc not afflicted with it don't like to be around him due to his violent ways.
Sorry, it just seemed like it was just shyness. I'm truly sorry if I offended you in some way.
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Mmmmmmmmmmmmm...ShiniER! Naturally, in the shade. Not photoshopped like the above pic.

Hey. That offends me. I don't photoshop pictures. I just wave my magic pink tights and they turn shiny.

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Wow that looks nice, Jon.
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Hey. That offends me. I don't photoshop pictures. I just wave my magic pink tights and they turn shiny.

So, what did you do? Just adjust curves in photoshop?
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