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Old 06-29-07, 11:40 PM   #1
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Current and Ex-military people

I'm going to boot for the Marines in September as an assaultman then hoping to pass the recon indoc. I was hoping that any current or ex-military personel could give me some tips or stories. I've heard that boot is the hardest part of most people's military experience but I have yet to find anyone who has actually been in recon or special forces for the other branches. Anything would be helpful and stories are always a great thing too. Thanks in advance and Semper Fi.
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Old 06-30-07, 09:04 AM   #2
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Just "grin and bear" it. You'll make it through. It won't be easy or fun at the time, but after you're done, you'll probably look back and laugh at a lot of the stuff that happened while you were there.
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Old 06-30-07, 09:53 AM   #3
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Well, Marine boot camp is 90% mental. They're just trying to cut out the guys who can't take stress. My dad was a Marine and went through Parris Island in 1949, I grew up hearing his stories. It was tough then, mentally and physically, and the physcial part was abusive. Sucker punches by D.I.'s and such. Long force marches in the middle of the night.

So when I went through P.I. in 1985 I was expecting it to be much tougher than it ended up being. I breezed through. As long as you are in decent physical shape and your head is screwed on straight you wont have a problem. They guys that got dropped when I went through were either way out of shape, or hot heads that mouthed off to D.I.'s, or couldn't stand being away from home or not having any control in their lives, or free time.

As far as recon training, just stay focused on what your doing to get ready for it. Get through P.I. first then basic infantry training. For SF, Ranger or Recon training concentrate on being in the top physical shape you can be in. You can expect all phases of that training to be mentally and physically challenging. Again they are trying to weed out those who can't take the physical and mental stress of extreme enviornments.
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Originally Posted by DemosthenesI'm going to boot for the Marines in September as an assaultman then hoping to pass the recon indoc. I was hoping that any current or ex-military personel could give me some tips or stories. I've heard that boot is the hardest part of most people's military experience but I have yet to find anyone who has actually been in recon or special forces for the other branches. Anything would be helpful and stories are always a great thing too. Thanks in advance and Semper Fi.


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from my understanding last I checked when you enlist if you can qualify after boot training you can go right into Recon, or Special Security battalion then after completion of school, more training and assignment to a Security battalion or Recon with a with MEU /Forces

When I served you had to be an E-3 and then had to have a recommendation from the OIC then basically
if you passed the physical testing mental indoctrination/testing you were in,then you chose your specality
after that/scuba/jump wings,{Halo Jumping**


jump school is @ Fort Benning

1s Force Recon trains @ N. island S.Diego/1st Force Recon duty station is @ Camp Pendelton Del-Mar area

2nd Force Recon,Camp Lejuene,N.C. all bad azz, Training is as hard or harder than S.E.A.L School.
If your accepted into Recon be prepared for continious floats with MEU and deployments
Also afer being accepted into Recon one can apply for Sniper/more schooling

Boot is one of the hardest of all Armed Forces, If I am right it is 13 weeks then to school for whatever your particular MOS is. Grunt training is @ Camp Pendelton or Camp Lejuene,0311 rifleman/assult

You run,run,run,run and you hump,hump,hump full rucksack/with all 782 gear/all equipment weapons on a constant basis.


Recon is on-going constant training
Usually missions involve 7-10 recon including a Corpsman
night drops,in the bush or desert for days to a week or longer depending on activity
deep intel gathering,snatches,survelliance,sniper activity




BRC school


Missions:
Long-range reconnaissance and surveillance
T.R.A.P. (Tactical Recovery of Aircraft Personnel)
M.I.O. (Maritime Interdiction Operations)
Hydro-graphic surveys & beach reconnaissance
Small unit raids/selected prisoner snatches
Harbor reconnaissance
Underwater Searches
Evacuation of American civilians from hostile environments (countries



also The SERE training curriculum can be divided into three parts: "survival and evasion", "resistance and escape", and "water survival".


5th Force Recon BN, Okinawa

3RD Recon BN, Okinawa

4th Recon BN, Reserves

3RD and 4th Force Recon are Reserve units located through out the US




you want to get a little ahead of the game, go buy a back-pack, load it down with bricks, go to a Amy-Navy store buy some combat boots find some hills and run up run down and continue until you drop

Be prepared for some of the hardest,roughest training one can experience

deployments are 7mo. now usually with a year rotation back to the U.S.

When I served it was 12 mo.deployment

check this out also

http://www.specialoperations.com/USM.../default2.html


http://www.forcerecon.com


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I'm going to boot for the Marines in September as an assaultman then hoping to pass the recon indoc. I was hoping that any current or ex-military personel could give me some tips or stories. I've heard that boot is the hardest part of most people's military experience but I have yet to find anyone who has actually been in recon or special forces for the other branches. Anything would be helpful and stories are always a great thing too. Thanks in advance and Semper Fi.
In boot camp (which the AF calls "basic military training"--much more friendly-sounding, eh? ) the biggest thing is to become one with the crowd. Do a good job, I'm not suggesting that you shirk your duties or, uh, cover your light with a bushel or something, but you don't want to be obvious. Standing out for anything besides maybe the shiniest boots or being the snappiest at drill just gets people's attention, and having people's attention in boot camp, where the TIs or DIs are seemingly paid to be crabby, often means getting your ass chewed. If you were doing really well, then doing not-quite-as well pisses them off. If you're doing badly, that pisses them off. Don't piss them off.

An old piece of advice for the military in general is "never volunteer for anything" but that's not always wise...definitely not a motto to live by!

And, be prepared for a lot of hurry-up and wait! They'll rush you from point A to point B to be on time for an appointment so you can all get some piece of paperwork filled out, and then when you get there you'll wait, doing nothing, for an hour before it's your turn.

Basic training was at the same time incredibly easy for me, and also very hard. I despise running, so I spent pretty much every minute of every day dreading the next run. Drill is fun. Learning to fire the weapons is fun, although having to crawl under wire on your elbows is not. When they tell you how they want things done (e.g., fold your underwear in a 5" square and place it exactly at the lower bottom edge of your t-shirts) pay attention, and do it just like that.

Also, you might want to read the thread about how to stay awake in meetings. We had many hours of classes, and some of the instructors were booooooorrrrrrriiiiiinnnnnngggggg.

Of course, YMMV! My ex-husband "stood out" in basic training and ended up in a leadership position for his flight in basic, and he had a blast because his TI used to bull**** around with him, and tell him stories that no one else got to hear.

Good luck!
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Old 06-30-07, 05:17 PM   #6
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The marines will take people from other services and make them go through marine boot camp. They say the other boot camps are for wussies and they (you) need to go through a real boot camp. I have had two nephews go through the marine boot camp recently and the both said that if you keep your head on straight you will do well.
When I was teaching in the Navy I would tell the students that getting known for infractions was a bad thing, standing out was a good thing.
Someone with an "attitude" will have a miserable time.
I appreciate your considering the military, good on you. Have fun.
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Old 06-30-07, 09:52 PM   #7
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i don't think they use the shock treatment anymore, nor do they hit you any longer, so that being gone - what i say next may sound strange...

but what got me through the darkest times was knowing that there will always be someone weak or stupid for them (drill instructors) to gang up on or pick on.

if you study hard, listen to simple instructions and be able to follow simple instructions you'll not only get by, but will excel.

you'd be amazed by how many think they know everythings there are, just condition your mind and body and except the bs as the weeding out process it is, and you'll do fine.

i loved basic training, its really like being born again... you'll forever be changed.

i actually laughed when people broke, sounds bad, but its really not...
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shut your mouth, open your ears. do everything they ask of you to the best of your ability. don't get noticed, don't volunteer for anything. if you can make it through BCT without your DI's knowing your name, you've done something right.
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