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Old 07-03-07, 09:34 PM   #1
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Please help me buying a bike

As you may recall from my thread, I was hit by a bus and my bike was destroyed. Going crazy and want to ride again even just a little.

Have to get a new bike. Insurance may or may not pay. SHOULD but decision takes at least 3 months. Thus I will pay and hope for reimbursement. Thus want to keep costs reasonable. Want value for money and bike that will last me and keep me riding (i.e enjoyable)

Main purpose

Commuting to work (25 minute ride each way. Small inclines with one large hill. Bike path 90% and street the other part.

Had a mountain bike which was unnecessary. I liked it for security and in case I went off road to avoid a stick or if I ran over a stick. Thinking racing bike or hybrid (with thicker tires) now.


Options

Specialized Sirrus Sport ($1000) or Comp ($1500) 2007

Cecil Walker 1990 (handmade Australian bike, steel frame). Used but in new condition apparently. (my racing bike friend told me about it and I will look. He has competed in cycling for 50 years so knows his stuff and he LOVES it. Cannot believe how good the condition is)
$950


What do you recommend and why please?

Other suggestions also welcome

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Old 07-03-07, 09:34 PM   #2
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oh, i live in Perth western australia
am 6"2, 82kg

would occasionally go for longer recreational rides but 98% is commuting to and from work 5 days a week.

Plus ride to the gym sometimes too.
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Old 07-03-07, 11:59 PM   #3
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Personally, I'd go for the Cecil Walker. But then, I'm a Old Phart (I'll be eligible for the 50+ forum in about 7 weeks), a bit of a Luddite and always partial to lugged steel.

WARNING: The following discussion would touch off the Mother of All Flame Wars in some of the other BF forums - a war would likely break out in the Road forum.

Why do I prefer steel? Because it provides a lively resilient ride. Because you know a steel frame of that quality will last the rest of your life with minimal necessary care. Because if you damage a tube or two of a good lugged steel frame, you can get it repaired for less than the cost of replacement (unless you get lucky and find another used frame of the Walker's quality in your size). Because they just plain look great, and always will.

If I could not get a suitable lugged steel frame, I'd go with TIG-welded steel (most of the above attributes, but much harder, if not impossible, to repair) or titanium (more expensive).

I would not want an aluminum frame because they tend to be less forgiving on the road, as in sending more road vibration up your butt and hands. They also are one-crash frames - if you bend an aluminum tube or dimple it sufficiently, the bike is toast because aluminum frames cannot be rebent or repaired. As for carbon fiber (and here is where my Luddite tendencies really show), that is another name for "plastic," and I simply cannot believe that plastic will not be degraded by UV radiation over time. CF is also another "one crash" frame material - there are very few operations I would trust to repair a CF frame. Calfee here in the states is about the only one I can think of right now.

Also, if you get a crack in a steel frame that goes undiscovered for a while, it will slowly grow until you notice performance degradation, almost certainly well before any catastrophic failure. Which means you get off and look at the frame, say "oh, sh*t" and figure out whether to repair or replace the frame. With aluminum or CF, if you don't catch the crack right away, you are at immediate risk of the frame failing in mid-ride, completely and catastropically. Which means you say "oh, sh*t" while still on the bike, perhaps while moving at significant speed, you feel and hear the frame break, bend, or otherwise become unrideable right now, and you discover the downside of gravity. At that point, you find a ride home and clean of the road rash if you're lucky, you go to the hospital ER to have broken bones set if you're unlucky, or you're admitted to the hospital for broken bones, head trauma, and/or internal injuries if you are really unlucky. And if you are really really unlucky . . . well, you get the point.

Okay, that's probably a bit melodramatic, but not by much. Steel rides better than aluminum for the most part. Carbon fiber can be made to ride wonderfully, but I just can't bring myself to trust a plastic frame. Titanium is good stuff, but kinda pricey. Odds that a steel frame will be the heaviest of the bunch, assuming similar price points, but the weight difference is more than offset by its advantages, IMHO.

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Personally, I'd go for the Cecil Walker. But then, I'm a Old Phart (I'll be eligible for the 50+ forum in about 7 weeks), a bit of a Luddite and always partial to lugged steel.
Ditto, and I'm nowhere near eligible to enter that forum. I'll take an older, handmade, lugged, steel-framed bike over a brand new, mass-produced aluminum (sorry, aluminium. ) bike any day, even taking into consideration the possibly newer and more "advanced" parts on the aluminum bike.
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As you commute and are worried about possibility of slight off road, I'd go with a hybrid with wider tires or a touring road bike with wider tires (28s at least). A nice steel frame, sturdy (good for commuting to add panniers, trunk rack, etc..), but light enough you won't feel bogged down by a dinosaur.
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As you commute and are worried about possibility of slight off road, I'd go with a hybrid with wider tires or a touring road bike with wider tires (28s at least). A nice steel frame, sturdy (good for commuting to add panniers, trunk rack, etc..), but light enough you won't feel bogged down by a dinosaur.
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I'm a commuter with a slightly longer ride than yours, but otherwise similar in terms of difficulty. I have to say I LOVE my old steel Raleigh for that ride. The steel frame just glides along and absorbs all the road bumps (we get pretty wicked frost heaves here so bumps are a given). On my aluminum-frame mountain bike I was getting jittered all over the place and my hands went numb - not a good thing for a typist!

I don't know anything about the newer bikes you mention but I had to chime in in favour of steel.

It sounds as though you are fairly slender - that's the other thing about steel, I think it is kinder to slim riders. Lighter weight people get tossed around a bit more by road bumps and need a frame that either has a bit more weight to it in itself, or *really* absorbs bumps.
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Old 07-04-07, 07:04 PM   #9
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Thanks to everyone's great replies!!!

I too am leaning towards the Cecil. Apparently all original gear. 'camponi' I believe or something that sounds like that. My friend thought it would be $1200 and thinks I am getting a good deal.

I rode it and another bike last night.

My thoughts:

Cecil $1050 (with clip in pedals and lights)
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Nice ride. Very light. Did not feel very secure/comfortable. Mainly because I am not yet used to a racing bike. *first time that I had rode a racing bike

Gearset is continuous (not click in). No problem for me. My friend said this requires less of a tuneup than click in.

Gears are on bike frame not handlebar. Concern is that this may distract me from my ride and mean that I am more of a fixed gear rider. I guess it will just be an adjustment

Azzuri Uno: $1330 (with clip in pedals and lights)
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Really nice ride too. A little heavier than the Cecil. Feels like it is maybe not as good a bike as the cecil but is tuned better and has better creature comforts. Eg. gears on handlebars. Click in gears. New paintjob etc.



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I am thinking about it today. Am leaning towards the Cecil heavily. Nice design. Only issues.

1) Will it last? It looks to have a max of 1000 km of use. Will it deteriorate quickly now being used 5 times a week?

2) are the gears on the stem a problem? Think just an adjustment for me.

3) What is a fair price? $1000 seems a LOT for a 15 year old used bike.


Many thanks!!!



*** Suggestions for a cheap bike to commute. Do not have much/any storage where I live. Probably just easy to have one bike. Replacability of cecil: would just get another bike. Whatever keeps me on the road!!!


Your thoughts and comments greatly appreciated!
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Old 07-06-07, 02:41 AM   #10
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thanks everyone, ended up buying a scott s30 racing bike for $450 from the newspaper.

6 months old. Good condition. shall be fun!!!

thanks again
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Glad you got your bike. Sounds like a good deal on a nice bike.


Just curious - how'd this not end up in the Road Cycling Forum? They have hundreds of these threads.
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Sounds like a great deal! Personally, my commuter bikes have always been $10-20 specials from thrift stores or garage sales. While I wouldn't do centuries with them, I did compare my commuting times with them vs. my racing bike and there really wasn't much of a difference at all. Actually the time it takes to change out of cycling clothes and shoes with the race bike probably makes it less effective than the commuter bike.
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