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    do you guys tip when you get take-out?

    i know that it's not required. is it expected? any restaurant workers out there who can answer this?

    i know that a dollar or two is nice... but honestly, it shouldn't be a part of my expenditure. sometimes, i end up budgeting myself to make sure i have tip money when i get food. i really want to stop doing that, because i'm a poor college student. i'm a generous tipper... over 20 percent almost every time for dining in and at bars. but this tipping society is becoming a bit much.

    and i guess it might be more expected the more expensive a restaurant is.. but even then.. i'm more inclined to tip at the lower end joints.. where i tend to find workers who could use the tip more.

    is it bad form to go to a nice place.. get take out that's over ten bucks? over twenty? and not tip?

    not to mention.. if you're served a glass of water while you wait.. that's almost certain to get at least a dollar tip.. regardless of place. but even if they served you water.. that doesn't warrant a tip, does it?

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    No. I never, ever, received a tip on a take out order when I worked in restaurants (takeaway was rare in the places I worked at, but still), and I'd never expect one.

    Why would you even think about tipping at a takeaway place?

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    I get take-out from a local Chinese joint and they always have a tip jar out. I also have never left them a tip. Another tip jar that really annoys me is when you go into a bar/club and have to pay cover and they have a tip jar at the cash register. WTF why I am going to give the girl a tip when I just paid $5 or $10 to get in... She's not doing me any type of service. It's even worse when the bouncers TELL you to leave a tip, of course I still never do. Don't get me wrong though, when I'm at a restaurant and have good service I'm a very generous tipper.

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    I tip just because I have waited tables bunches of times.

    and others peoples tips have put wheels on my bike
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    Quote Originally Posted by c0urt View Post
    I tip just because I have waited tables bunches of times.

    and others peoples tips have put wheels on my bike
    You performed a service for your tips. What service does a carryout restaurant perform to suggest they deserve tipping?

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    I tip a delivery person. I tip a waitperson. But I don't tip the cook or the cashier, so I never tip for take-out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziemas View Post
    You performed a service for your tips. What service does a carryout restaurant perform to suggest they deserve tipping?

    gotcha
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    Quote Originally Posted by VegaVixen View Post
    I tip a delivery person. I tip a waitperson. But I don't tip the cook or the cashier, so I never tip for take-out.
    That would be because the delivery person and the waiter cook your food then, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by electricaltape View Post
    i know that it's not required. is it expected? any restaurant workers out there who can answer this?

    i know that a dollar or two is nice... but honestly, it shouldn't be a part of my expenditure. sometimes, i end up budgeting myself to make sure i have tip money when i get food. i really want to stop doing that, because i'm a poor college student. i'm a generous tipper... over 20 percent almost every time for dining in and at bars. but this tipping society is becoming a bit much.

    and i guess it might be more expected the more expensive a restaurant is.. but even then.. i'm more inclined to tip at the lower end joints.. where i tend to find workers who could use the tip more.

    is it bad form to go to a nice place.. get take out that's over ten bucks? over twenty? and not tip?

    not to mention.. if you're served a glass of water while you wait.. that's almost certain to get at least a dollar tip.. regardless of place. but even if they served you water.. that doesn't warrant a tip, does it?
    It's bad form to tip.

    But then, it usually requires extricating oneself from a society drenched in tipping as the norm to appreciate that.

    Here's a tip: try questioning the concept. It might be expected, but that's only because more and more people give in to it because it's expected. It's a vicious circle, are you gonna break the link?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    It's bad form to tip.

    But then, it usually requires extricating oneself from a society drenching in tipping as the norm to appreciate that.

    Here's a tip: try questioning the concept. It might be expected, but that's only because more and more people give in to it because it's expected. It's a vicious circle, are you gonna break the link?
    Tipping in the States is completely different from tipping in Europe. In Europe the wait-staff are paid a decent wage that doesn't count on tips for income. In the States wait-staff are paid well below minimum wage with the understanding that tips will make up the difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by c0urt View Post
    gotcha
    Huh?

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    My local ice cream man has a tip jar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziemas View Post
    Tipping in the States is completely different from tipping in Europe. In Europe the wait-staff are paid a decent wage that doesn't count on tips for income. In the States wait-staff are paid well below minimum wage with the understanding that tips will make up the difference.
    Absolutely. Wait staff wages are ridiculous.

    However, tip jars at the ice cream shop are a little silly.
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    Yet more proof that I'm.. well, pretty much right about everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    That would be because the delivery person and the waiter cook your food then, right?
    ???

    When I go in for take-out, the only people between me and my food are the cook and the cashier, neither of whom I'd tip in any case. There is no delivery or waitperson involved. <confused Vega look>

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    Quote Originally Posted by VegaVixen View Post
    I tip a delivery person. I tip a waitperson. But I don't tip the cook or the cashier, so I never tip for take-out.
    What she said.

    However I have made the exception at this one Korean place I go to - husband/wife team --- and I alter the food and push them to make it hotter, etc - another words they've customized it - and they're nice. Have been out riding and then I realize there's this van pacing me (not crazy about that) and when I look to say something - there they were waving madly at me.

    Then they tell me and another customer standing there how they saw me (saw me on tv a couple times being interviewed for my club and the crit we have in town) - they saw their "friend" on the bicycle.

    Huh. Not just a customer, but a friend.

    OK, so I tip them at least a buck.

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    I tip:

    Valets
    Waiters
    Barbers*
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    -- because their wages are tip-assumed. They get minumum wage (normally) and assume that tips will make up the difference.
    *I tip my barber because I've been going to her for years. She's a friend, and giving her a $20 for a $13 haircut is worth it to me.

    I don't tip:
    Any restaurant with a tip jar - Subway, Starbucks, etc.
    Any 'nice restaurant' take out - Chefs get paid what they're worth, and their wages are not tip-assumed. Most computer receipts will put the gratuity line on them automatically, regardless of in-house or take out dining.
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    ...call me crazy.

    ps. Sometimes I'll tip the Cold Stone girls if there's a long line...Carpal Tunnel syndrome from mashing all that ice cream is a real hazard...and I like it when they go WOOWOO!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziemas View Post
    Tipping in the States is completely different from tipping in Europe. In Europe the wait-staff are paid a decent wage that doesn't count on tips for income. In the States wait-staff are paid well below minimum wage with the understanding that tips will make up the difference.
    and? I already said, it's a vicious circle. I'm aware of the justification you give. But that doesn't make it ok. They get crappy wages because their bosses know they live on tips. So who's gonna break the link?

    Fair enough, I understand people feel like they have to (as much as I disagree with it), but the worst are the people who actually defend it.

    I see it time and time again, Ziemas. People who don't question this bizarre norm of their society, and furthermore so many that simply exacerbate it with increased tipping through some kind of induced guilt complex. It disgusts me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VegaVixen View Post
    ???

    When I go in for take-out, the only people between me and my food are the cook and the cashier, neither of whom I'd tip in any case. There is no delivery or waitperson involved. <confused Vega look>
    So you don't tip the cook for doing their job.
    You don't tip the cashier for doing their job.
    But you do tip the delivery person for doing their job.
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    A very good friend of mine makes a habit of tipping big in all the bars he goes to - ensures he gets good service.

    Doesn't anyone see the sickness of a society where you effectively need to bribe people to do their job?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    and? I already said, it's a vicious circle. I'm aware of the justification you give. But that doesn't make it ok. They get crappy wages because their bosses know they live on tips. So who's gonna break the link?

    Fair enough, I understand people feel like they have to (as much as I disagree with it), but the worst are the people who actually defend it.

    I see it time and time again, Ziemas. People who don't question this bizarre norm of their society, and furthermore so many that simply exacerbate it with increased tipping through some kind of induced guilt complex. It disgusts me.
    There is no guilt at all. That's the way the industry works in the States. No one forces anyone to eat at a restaurant.

    If it wasn't that way then the cost of food on the menu would be higher and cheap people would then complain about the higher cost. If you want to be a cretin and not tip at American restaurants go ahead, but remember you are screwing someone out of part of their days wage.

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    How much is the pre-tip price of a dinner in Europe compared to a similar dinner in America?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    A very good friend of mine makes a habit of tipping big in all the bars he goes to - ensures he gets good service.

    Doesn't anyone see the sickness of a society where you effectively need to bribe people to do their job?
    And I'm sure you'd whine if you had to pay the built in costs for service and got terrible service. Tipping insures that you get good service. Bad service = no tip.

    At this point I'm just going to assume that you squeeze a pound so hard that the queen cries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by veganaise View Post
    How much is the pre-tip price of a dinner in Europe compared to a similar dinner in America?
    It depends where you are, but as a whole Europe is more expensive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziemas View Post
    There is no guilt at all.
    Yeah, right. The number of times I've seen people tip for mediocre or even poor service just because they feel they have to...

    Get real man.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ziemas
    If it wasn't that way then the cost of food on the menu would be higher and cheap people would then complain about the higher cost.
    Yes, it's reflective of a society that values quantity above quality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ziemas
    If you want to be a cretin and not tip at American restaurants go ahead, but remember you are screwing someone out of part of their days wage.
    And for the yanks, if you want to be an ignoramus and tip in countries where it's not the norm go ahead, but remember that you're ruining the foreign cultures that you infect with that behaviour. Trust me on this, it DOES have an impact, and it's not good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziemas View Post
    And I'm sure you'd whine if you had to pay the built in costs for service and got terrible service. Tipping insures that you get good service. Bad service = no tip.
    That's kind of where I was going with my previous post. If you include the cost of service and don't tip, you'll probably wind up spending the same amount as you would with the lower wage + tip. Add on top of that the quality of service that is somewhat ensured by tipping. But, as mentioned before, this completely breaks down when people tip for anything but good service.

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