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    So you think you spend too much time on Foo? Check this.

    I'd heard of Second Life, but, as I'm still on dialup, haven't registered to check it out. I know some people who do this, though not nearly as obsessively as this fellow:

    http://biz.yahoo.com/wallstreet/0708...2_id.html?.v=6

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    Sheesh, that is pretty creepy. Sounds like Mr. Hoogestraat has become a little disconnected from the real world. Speaking of that, I better go pay attention to my fabulous husband.

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    That is weird...Very weird. But it's no different from being on Foo all day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CrankshaftYQX View Post
    That is weird...Very weird. But it's no different from being on Foo all day.
    The article in the link strikes me as being sad more than anything else. However I don't think anyone here mistakes Foo for being anything like Second Life. On-line friends, yes. Entirely new personas that replace the real world, nope.
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    And, to my knowledge, no one here is having virtual sex. Well, except maybe in the PM rooms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HigherGround View Post
    The article in the link strikes me as being sad more than anything else. However I don't think anyone here mistakes Foo for being anything like Second Life. On-line friends, yes. Entirely new personas that replace the real world, nope.
    Well, I for one am COMPLETELY different on BikeForums. You would not believe I was the same person if you met me in real life.
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    Not that the whole story isn't odd enough, but the really odd part is that (according to the article) the Hoogestraats have been married for seven whole months. I'd say that there's a little bit of trouble in pardise, and that Second Life is not the cause of it, just the way it showed itself.

    I had never heard of Second Life before, but it sounds a tad creepy to me. Of course, my sole knowledge of it now comes from one newspaper article, and experience has taught me to have a healthy skepticism about any reporter's ability, even one for the WSJ, to get their facts straight. So I'll reserve judgment for now.

    Speaking of creepy, how on earth did the reporter get wind of this story in the first place?
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    Second Life has been around for a couple of years, at least. A virtual world based on the book Snow Crash.

    To me, it's not much different than many forum-type environments in that people take on a username and have an avatar. The difference is that you can actually move around in this world, and interact with others, seeing "people" and a virtual environment on the screen, in addition to words. Like somewhere between Foo and RL....
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    I was very creeped out by that article. I don't think that Foo or Bike Forums as a whole is anything like an online game such as this Second Life. Most of us are ourselves here as in RL. Many of us have met or hope to meet in RL at some point. Even when that's not possible, we have helped each other with RL concerns. (Remember the help folks gave in hunting down the Austin butcher of Tom's niece?)

    Anyone ever read Neuromancer? This Second Life reminds me very much of something out of that novel.
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    sad part is, i have read snow crash, it is one of my favorite books. thats where the idea for the whole storage unit thing came from while i was in orlando
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    Wow: "You try to talk to someone or bring them a drink, and they'll be having sex with a cartoon." First plushies, and now cartoons? Where will it end? Where will it all end????

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    Quote Originally Posted by c0urt View Post
    sad part is, i have read snow crash, it is one of my favorite books. thats where the idea for the whole storage unit thing came from while i was in orlando
    What, you lived in a storage unit? How did that work out? Snow Crash is an excellent book. Do the creators of SL credit SC for the idea? Its been around in other books/movies.

    I don't think this (foo) is anywhere near the same as Second Life. If SL became the metaverse as envisioned in Snow Crash, then, I could see some of us meeting there, and possibly getting up to the same sort of things. Having said that, this dude has a problem, but not as big a one as his wife. Seven Months!!??
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    Initial thought: wtf?

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    Can you get a cartoon pregnant?
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    Quote Originally Posted by VegaVixen View Post
    I'd heard of Second Life, but, as I'm still on dialup, haven't registered to check it out. I know some people who do this, though not nearly as obsessively as this fellow:

    http://biz.yahoo.com/wallstreet/0708...2_id.html?.v=6

    Your thoughts?
    Just imagine how rich his REAL life could be if he invested the same time and effort into it. What a waste and a shame ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by workingbike View Post
    What, you lived in a storage unit? How did that work out? Snow Crash is an excellent book. Do the creators of SL credit SC for the idea? Its been around in other books/movies.

    I don't think this (foo) is anywhere near the same as Second Life. If SL became the metaverse as envisioned in Snow Crash, then, I could see some of us meeting there, and possibly getting up to the same sort of things. Having said that, this dude has a problem, but not as big a one as his wife. Seven Months!!??
    yeah, as it works out, i lived in storage unit one for a month and some change in orlando. worked in a water park, so i had access to showers everyday, washed my clothes in the hotel near by, and had internet at a coffee shop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by c0urt View Post
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    Especially after Merider's little declaration this morning....

    oh, but that second life sounds a little disturbing.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by donnamb View Post
    I was very creeped out by that article. I don't think that Foo or Bike Forums as a whole is anything like an online game such as this Second Life. Most of us are ourselves here as in RL. Many of us have met or hope to meet in RL at some point. Even when that's not possible, we have helped each other with RL concerns. (Remember the help folks gave in hunting down the Austin butcher of Tom's niece?)

    Anyone ever read Neuromancer? This Second Life reminds me very much of something out of that novel.
    Neuromancer was a great book.

    You might check out Otherland, by Tad Williams. Wild book. When you go online, and unconcious in RL, the processing power is so great, you can't tell the difference between RL and online....
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    neuromancer was a good book, i love most books by Stephenson.
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    Ok. Foo'ers. New angle. Is it Second Life which is so disturbing, or is it the fact that some people succumb to it as a substitution for real-life interaction?

    Perhaps compare and contrast with other known enjoyments/vices like, for instance, alcohol. Many do enjoy, and some become completely addicted....

    Just throwin' a little fresh wood on this burning issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VegaVixen View Post
    Ok. Foo'ers. New angle. Is it Second Life which is so disturbing, or is it the fact that some people succumb to it as a substitution for real-life interaction?

    Perhaps compare and contrast with other known enjoyments/vices like, for instance, alcohol. Many do enjoy, and some become completely addicted....

    Just throwin' a little fresh wood on this burning issue.
    I guess what disturbs me about it is that he's out there interacting as his BEST EVER self, not as his current self. The people he's interacting with like the cool, tall, slim, motorcycle-dude persona, not his kinda heavy, older, never-leaves-the-house self. He's not accepting who he really is, and all the adoration isn't for who he really is, either. That's got to leave someone feeling kind of dissatisfied, doesn't it?

    At least on forums like these, chances are you're seeing at least MOST of who a person really is (unless, say, Cypress is actually an 8th grader in Arkansas who just happens to have a ***-loving cousin with a cycling tan who sends him a lot of photos...)

    It's kind of weird, really, because people who have that much invested in that game are by definition people who spend many, many hours online, which implies that they probably don't have a lot going on outside of their computers. If this guy had a lot of friends IRL, he wouldn't have time to be building a coffee shop in a game. But in the game world, he's a social butterfly.

    I don't know where those people would be if he needed help moving, or someone to give him a ride to the airport, you know? Real life people are important!
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    Quote Originally Posted by VegaVixen View Post
    Ok. Foo'ers. New angle. Is it Second Life which is so disturbing, or is it the fact that some people succumb to it as a substitution for real-life interaction?

    Perhaps compare and contrast with other known enjoyments/vices like, for instance, alcohol. Many do enjoy, and some become completely addicted....

    Just throwin' a little fresh wood on this burning issue.
    If someone wants to spend all their spare time on SL, or to drink themselves into a stupor, or light up a big fat one, or whatever.

    Doesn't really matter, they're only hurting themselves.

    But this dude has a wife, of seven months. If he cannot see the problem with that, then, he is either a moron or some kind of sociopath.

    I just read the whole article, he wed his online wife when he had only been married to the real one for 4 months! Oh, and apparently this woman lives around here somewhere. Dunno why, but that bothers me a little as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by c0urt View Post
    neuromancer was a good book
    It was a great book, but I like the idea of it being fiction, as opposed to nonfiction.
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