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    You've got nothing to lose.

    Tell him he's a f*ckwit and to back off. NOTHING TO LOSE.
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    After reading a variety of opinions from various posters the reality is that guys like your current supervisor will come and go in life. When you come across a guy like this in life you have to look at the whole picture. Does this guy represent the whole company or is he an abberation? Immediate supervisors are a dime a dozen and will come an go only to be replaced by better and worse. Good companies are harder to find even if they have a rotton apple or two.

    Is he really showing "YOU" disrespect or just taking over all the responsibility for what he is responsible for, hurting you feelings in the process.

    Try not to take this personal, but if an 18 year old employee came to me making demands and issuing ultimatums he'd better have his resignation in his back pocket. Oh don't worry, I'm approchable but if you come into my office backing me into a corner without giving me the benefit of looking into a situation don't be surprised if "show you the door".

    Like some else posted "life sucks" sometimes. If you quit a job every time you come across this kind of guy you will soon have a resume longer than a rap sheet, and that will do you no good at all. Look at this as a test. Eventually this guy will hang himself and you'll still be there, only you'll be a little bit older and wiser. That's one of the things a good employeer looks for.

    BTW, personal experience. I've been working for the same company for 20+ years. 6 years ago my a**hole boss (branch manager) of 4 years self imploded in his career and is now a gate guard at a retirement community. I've held his job since then.

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    PC2, baybuh, the situation is not optimal for the moment. You have said they're so backlogged that even the pres is working in an engineering capacity, on top on admin duties. This stress trickles down, and everyone can be on edge. Just that some of them have been there, and it's water off a duck's back. Your manager is trying hard to show that he's working hard, and managing well, under this pressure. It's quite conceivable that he's such an apparent arrogant bastid because he really doesn't know how to manage people, and is scared to ask someone, lest he appear to be incompetent just when the company needs competent people on board.

    It wouldn't hurt to disarm him with encouragement, and as others have said, a meeting. Ask him how you two can best work together, let him know that you want to work with him so that you both look good. Have specific requests or suggestions as to what might facilitate this (no ultimatums).

    If this doesn't help, then it's good to have a "mentor" in the company who can help you navigate not the technical issues, but the human issues.

    And don't walk away. You are young. This is an excellent opportunity for you to learn what does and doesn't work when dealing with difficult people, be they bosses, coworkers, or subordinates. This could be an excellent opportunity for you to learn a lot more than tech skills. Don't overlook it. Someday when you're in a position where it really isn't so easy to just "walk away," you'll be glad you took the time to learn these lessons at a time in your life when you could have.

    No, it's not pleasant to have a tyrant for a boss. But, like some others, I suspect it may have more to do with his own inexperience and possible incompetence than with his general personality or the way he would like to be as a manager. It's quite possible he has just never managed people before, and, in addition to performing the tech aspects of his job, has now had thrust upon him the job of managing you, with no training and no guidance from above as to how to do this. So, work with him to figure this out.

    Soon enough, you may find yourself in a new place, doing new things. And, you will be going to college soon, non? So, VV's suggestion is that you just stick it out. Learn as much as you can with regard to all aspects of working in a highly-technical environment, and when you go, you will take with you excellent references, and excellent experience in dealing with difficult people and difficult situations.

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    I don't remember your exact situation, are you working part time while going to school or is this a full time gig or what? Regardless, far too many make the mistake and think that a workplace is a place for fairness. A workplace is a place for you to make money and for your superiors to make money off of you.

    The methods employed to arrive at this end are wide and varied, but make no mistake.....they aren't always fair. This is why there are such things as resumes, want ads, and Jack Daniels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Portis View Post
    I don't remember your exact situation, are you working part time while going to school or is this a full time gig or what? Regardless, far too many make the mistake and think that a workplace is a place for fairness. A workplace is a place for you to make money and for your superiors to make money off of you.

    The methods employed to arrive at this end are wide and varied, but make no mistake.....they aren't always fair. This is why there are such things as resumes, want ads, and Jack Daniels.


    Portis, he's just 18. Let's you and I keep sharin' the JD for a while, shall we?

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    Just tell the guy (even if it's kind of a lie) - "I've heard they've given you cognizance over me because they want to see how effectively you can employ subordinates. A couple of the engineers (I don't want to name names and get anyone in trouble) didn't seem too happy that you were blowing off their requests for my assistance. I'm telling you this because my job is to help you be successful, and I thought you ought to know"

    p.s. - this will only work if you can come off as being sincere when you talk to him.
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    Here's an option for you.

    Do EXACTLY what he says. EXACTLY. Nothing less, nothing more. Sounds like this guy is pretty uptight and worried about control rather than getting the job done.

    When someone from the company comes to you for something, say, "[boss' name] has directed me not to take any work direction from anyone but him. Please pass your request to him and if he thinks it's something I should be doing, he'll assign it to me."

    Keep a detailed log of your taskings and whatnot. When something's not done and you get questioned about it, haul out your log, explain EXACTLY what you were assigned and did. Get the little tyrant to put his direction to you in writing if you can.

    If he's good, he'll realize your capactiy and relax. If not, he'll go down in flames because you'll be able to say you were forbidden by your boss from doing anything he didn't specifically assign or authorize you to do.

    Sucky way to do things, but it sounds like this may be the only way to CYA for the time being.
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    First you need to get to know each other. Go to lunch together, take a coffee/coke break with him, and just talk. Find out what his interests are and get to know him personally. Once you're broken down that barrier, let him know in a non-threatening and non-confrontational way how you feel and see him in his job. Explain that you want to learn and grow and need his help. Add that you want to support both him and the company but you need guidance, assistance and training.
    You're just trying to start an argument to show how smart you are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StanSeven View Post
    First you need to get to know each other. Go to lunch together, take a coffee/coke break with him, and just talk. Find out what his interests are and get to know him personally. Once you're broken down that barrier, let him know in a non-threatening and non-confrontational way how you feel and see him in his job. Explain that you want to learn and grow and need his help. Add that you want to support both him and the company but you need guidance, assistance and training.
    I'd try this before what I suggested, what I suggested as plan B, and what skiiah suggested as plan C
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    You know, I think this guy is really trying to advance in the ranks. He bought a Lexus recently, and now he gets to take on me as a responsibility. I think it's all part of this quest to impress and prove. Today he designated himself of a few more things, so they are not his responsibility. He really wants to be the master of the company, everything goes through him.
    Well one of the engineers, the one I get along with very well actually, told me to just stick it out for a week or two. That this guy iwll become so overwhelmed and sick of babysitting me that he'll quietly stop. He also gave the advice of passively defying this new system, which I did today.

    On day 1, the president told me "I don't care what project you have or who it's for. If something needs your attention in the clean room, you will go to the clean room". So I will continue to encourage the production staff to seek me as much as possible when something isn't working. After all, that's what the production manager complained I was not doing. This might be killing 2 birds with 1 stone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StanSeven View Post
    First you need to get to know each other. Go to lunch together, take a coffee/coke break with him, and just talk. Find out what his interests are and get to know him personally. Once you're broken down that barrier, let him know in a non-threatening and non-confrontational way how you feel and see him in his job. Explain that you want to learn and grow and need his help. Add that you want to support both him and the company but you need guidance, assistance and training.

    Barf.

    Set a deadline, say six weeks. Send out your resumes. Send out school applications. Save some bucks.

    Give two weeks notice.

    If they offer incentives to stay, say that the only incentive you need is a different boss.

    If they don't give you that, quit on schedule.
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    A positive, simple, direct, formal complaint, to HR, in writing.
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    He's new, and trying to prove himself. Once you show him that you are competent, they he should ease off a bit.
    Being micromanaged sucks, but if you can show you are a good worker, he'll have nothing to complain about. So I'd wait and see what happens, but this has been my experience in similar situations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nachoman View Post
    A positive, simple, direct, formal complaint, to HR, in writing.
    This is the best way to screw yourself in a small company. Try talking to him first like an adult, not tattling like a small child. If talking to him first doesn't work THEN go to HR.

    No one in an organization like someone who complains to the boss right off the bat. Word will get around and no one will trust you.

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    Is there any way you can cirumnavigate him and show your completed work to the original requester? Maybe you can arrange meetings with requesters and just side-step your new boss?

    (Kind of like Peter and the 2 Bob's arrange a meeting withoutLumberg knowing anything - in Office Space). But joking aside, are yo able to side-step your boss? When you approach them for 'discussion', always keep in the back of your mind, that you dont need this job, you can get another one, even if it's a little lower paid, doesn't matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VegaVixen View Post


    Portis, he's just 18. Let's you and I keep sharin' the JD for a while, shall we?
    18 was much older when I was 18. I can assure you that I had an intimate understanding of Jack Daniels at that age.

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    Wow, the guy you are talking about sounds a lot like me.

    You see, I have this disrepectful 18 year old I have to manage at work and...uh oh...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Portis View Post
    This is why there are such things as resumes, want ads, and Jack Daniels.
    And strippers, you forgot strippers.
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