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Old 08-17-07, 04:19 PM   #26
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Is this something very specific to Civil Engineering? I am EE and I have never heard of a PE in what we do..
It is generally more important for a civil than others. Industry uses a lot of ME, EE, ChE, IE and does not usually require registration. It is called the "Industrial Exemption".

In order to offer your services as a Professional Egineer, you must be registered in your state. In any system that has been designed and built, someone stamped it. EE, ME, CE, whatever.

http://www.ncees.org/licensure/licen...sachusetts.php
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Shoulda listened to my dad and become a P.E.; I might be registered today. Nope, I did things my way.

I went to a NAAB accredited 5-year architecture school, Woodbury University where I earned my Bachelor of Architecture degree and graduated *** Laude.

I've completed my internship and have recorded 8+ years of work experience under licensed architects.

I have also taken and passed 8 of 9 licensing exams (A.R.E.) and am awaiting authorization to retest for the ninth exam. Upon passing and because I live and work in the great state of California, I can apply for the California Supplemental Exam (oral boards) and hope I passed that. Did I mention that the exams do not allow for anything more than a non-programmable calculator? No books, no texts, nothing allowed in but a pencil and scratch paper (the test is computerized, however).

As a designer in this profession, I'm familiar with civil, structural, mechanical (including HVAC, water and wastewater systems) and electrical engineering. I am also versed in aesthetics. I do not pretend to know everything thing there is to know about the various aspects of each engineering discipline, but I do know how they work with respect to the typology I design, and I respect engineers that can bring their expertise to the design solution.

I can't wait until I finally earn the right to call myself by my professional title.

Okay, here's a joke I've heard many a time.

Architects build targets, Engineers build targeting systems.

Architects and dogs are licensed, Engineers and Sex offenders are registered.
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For CA PE registration...

http://www.dca.ca.gov/pels/

trsidn, just curious... you mention that you occasionally do hurricane related work. I'd be curious to know about the reconstruction efforts from a local engineer's perspective. Are you just busy beyond belief with a backlog up the wazoo? Are there a lot of out of state engineers participating in the reconstruction? Just curious... thanks!
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Architects and dogs are licensed, Engineers and Sex offenders are registered.
Hehe, I always heard ME's make weapons, CE's make targets.

interesting about the reg vs licensed..:/ typical.
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My **** is bigger than your ****?...

Not an engineer at all, just find the thread a little humourous
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For CA PE registration...

http://www.dca.ca.gov/pels/

trsidn, just curious... you mention that you occasionally do hurricane related work. I'd be curious to know about the reconstruction efforts from a local engineer's perspective. Are you just busy beyond belief with a backlog up the wazoo? Are there a lot of out of state engineers participating in the reconstruction? Just curious... thanks!
Much of "reconstruction" is tied up in court.
Insurance companies do not want to pay, homeowners don't know what the final requirements are, etc.

Much of my work now is traffic related north of New Orleans, and in the suburbs. People that had money and means got out. Those that did not are still in limbo. Much of New Orleans proper is still in bad shape.
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Much of "reconstruction" is tied up in court.
Insurance companies do not want to pay, homeowners don't know what the final requirements are, etc.

Much of my work now is traffic related north of New Orleans, and in the suburbs. People that had money and means got out. Those that did not are still in limbo. Much of New Orleans proper is still in bad shape.
Thank you again for the insight.
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Although I haven't completed my EE, I intend to end up with a PE. There are quite a lot of EEPE's in the Utility Industry for the earlier poster.
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Old 08-19-07, 10:40 PM   #34
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Not an engineer at all, just find the thread a little humourous
It's actually a liability thing, not so much an ego thing. A lot of projects or companies require a professional signoff on designs, especially those that affect safety. Even though most of the work may be done by unlicensed engineers and drafters, a professional may be required to review their work and approve it before it gets built.

Since so much of what civil engineers do relates to structural integrity, water quality, etc, the PE is a very common hiring requirement in that field.

The downside is if you sign off for something and it kills someone, the **** is coming your way.


I passed the FE and got my EIT two years ago. I haven't talked much to my boss about the PE, but I believe he's licensed, so I can probably count those towards my mentored experience.
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PE in Mining, real hard rock mining, not that data stuff. Among several jobs here and overseas I was involved in disaster and body recovery at the Wilberg coal mine, only a few miles from the current disaster in Utah. Did a little flood control, bridge and road design work for a while. A mining PE was more of a generalist. I needed to know enough in several areas to know if the specialist PE my employer hired to do detail work was stringing us along.

As far as the exams the numbers and calculations stuff was in the E.I.T. test. The PE test was more of an overview of general principles. It was a walk over with an HP35 and a table of the elements.
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I passed the FE and got my EIT two years ago. I haven't talked much to my boss about the PE, but I believe he's licensed, so I can probably count those towards my mentored experience.
iamlucky13, check your state's regulations, but you can probably use the recommendation of your engineering management to qualify you for the mentoring period, even if they are not licensed. I'm talking about a Mechanical PE; for a Civil PE, they have to be licensed.

(Shoot, I would sign you off based on some of the advice you have given on this forum )

I was the only PE in my company at the time, and letters from the Engineering Manager and VP of Engineering worked here in CA.

...now I sign off on the PE candidates at my company.

In CA, to get a Civil PE, on has to also pass a special siesmic knowledge test, in addition to the PE exam.

Also, it's important to note that one can be a member of the National Society of Professional Engineers (NPSE) without actually holding a PE. I worked with a gentleman that thought membership in this society qualified him to put "PE" after his name.

http://www.nspe.org/membership/me1-desc.asp

I'm not slamming the NSPE, I'm just making a clarification.

...and thank you for educating Maelstrom. I considered his comment a troll (which is uncharacteristic for him), and your response was excellent.

But he brings up a point, why did I get a P.E.? I don't need it for work. Maybe it is an ego thing. I have always been proud of my academic achievements, but what's wrong with that? I found the PE review class to be very good. I actually finally understood Thermo after that review, and made connections with professors at the college I wanted to attend. The relatively short class was good practice before going back to school get my Masters (Oh no! ANOTHER academic achievment!).

Also, I am a firm believer in having a plan "B". If I ever get laid off tomorrow, I can be Eubi Engineering Consultants within a week.

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As far as the exams the numbers and calculations stuff was in the E.I.T. test. The PE test was more of an overview of general principles. It was a walk over with an HP35 and a table of the elements.
Wow. The Mechanical PE I took was eight hours, eight problems, of specific mechanical analysis and calculation. Although I enjoyed taking the test, I wouldn't consider it a walk in the park. As I recall, we had 69% pass the year I took it (Yeah, I know, 69...har, har).

Although I remember one calculation that involved a gear train. It mostly concerned gear tooth and power analysis, but I found one part to be humorous. You had to select the efficiency of the drive train (they experimented with a few having multiple guess problems the year I took it). They gave you bearing frictions, gear efficiencies, lube viscosity, and several other red herrings. But only one answer was less than 100%!
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Old 08-20-07, 11:14 AM   #37
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Yeah, the PE was an 8 hour exam. Not what I would call fun. It also was not a general overview. May not have been the hardest test I ever took, but it was up there. It was an ordeal more than anything.

I pretty much DO need it for work. I certainly wouldn't have done for fun.
But yes, if need be, I can be trsidn consulting engineers pronto.
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