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Old 09-02-07, 02:10 AM   #1
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Why is trolling seen as a bad thing on so many message boards?

This is a serious question. Why do so many people have such a problem with trolling?

The best trolls are witty, intelligent creatures. Watching a good troll in action is like watching an artist. They stimulate discussion, they present viewpoints that people wouldn't normally consider, they provide entertainment (which is probably the main reason we're all here). In short, trolls are a species worth preserving. Sure, I've seen plenty of poor trolls who lack the skills to pull it off, who contribute little and constantly need to bump their own topics to try to stoke the flames, but most intelligent people will soon learn to just ignore them. Eventually the poor troll gets tired, and that's when the topic drops from the front page and disappears into the archives. The work of the great trolls, however, will live on as a resource for long to come.

So why do so many people have such a problem with trolling?
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Old 09-02-07, 02:22 AM   #2
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If you understand a troll to be any poster who posts his or her thoughts with the intention of provoking a definite response, you're spot on. That sort of thing is absolutely vital to discussion. Forums without people like that die. Still, with all that said, you can troll with the sole intention of offending others. That's not too cool.
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There are some trolls (check out the folks in P&R with 'junior member' or 'newbie' under their name) who just want to be jerks, and refuse to engage in honest dialog.

What's the point of trying to wind people up just for the sake of being a cretin and refusing to actually engage in dialog? What do they get out of it, some sense of achievement? Some sense that they 'beat' someone at something?

They must be sad and lonely people who need attention. Pathetic, really.
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So why do so many people have such a problem with trolling?
Perhaps because I haven't encountered many clever ones of late.
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I personally believe that there is a troll who resides inside each and everyone of us, it's just that society pressures most of us to silence and repress our inner troll. I think it's unwise to allow the weight of the world smother the life out of our trolls.. we should instead cherish them, listen to them.. worship them.
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This is a serious question. Why do so many people have such a problem with trolling?

The best trolls are witty, intelligent creatures. Watching a good troll in action is like watching an artist. They stimulate discussion, they present viewpoints that people wouldn't normally consider, they provide entertainment (which is probably the main reason we're all here). In short, trolls are a species worth preserving. Sure, I've seen plenty of poor trolls who lack the skills to pull it off, who contribute little and constantly need to bump their own topics to try to stoke the flames, but most intelligent people will soon learn to just ignore them. Eventually the poor troll gets tired, and that's when the topic drops from the front page and disappears into the archives. The work of the great trolls, however, will live on as a resource for long to come.

So why do so many people have such a problem with trolling?
It really depends on your definition of trolling. In my opinion provocative comments don't necessarily constitute trolling. Even satirical comments with a bit of a sarcastic streak don't constitute trolling if they're sufficiently entertaining and have a real point.

Dropping into the road bike forum and posting what I view as the primary pointless troll comments (you guys sure dress funny, why do you spend so much for your bikes?, I can go as fast on my knobby tired department store mountain bike as the roadies around here) is not clever, is seldom educational, and just generates noise.
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Brian - could you link to a few trolls that fall into the witty, intelligent creature category? There's one I'm thinking of that would just make comments in prose to make it seem like he was thinking deeply when he was only trying to make people who wanted support feel like crap. To me there's no value in telling someone who's trying to make amends with their family that it's all their fault without any other facts. That's not witty even if the way it was written in made it seem like it was.
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Old 09-02-07, 08:33 AM   #9
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This is a serious question. Why do so many people have such a problem with trolling?

The best trolls are witty, intelligent creatures. Watching a good troll in action is like watching an artist. They stimulate discussion, they present viewpoints that people wouldn't normally consider, they provide entertainment (which is probably the main reason we're all here). In short, trolls are a species worth preserving. Sure, I've seen plenty of poor trolls who lack the skills to pull it off, who contribute little and constantly need to bump their own topics to try to stoke the flames, but most intelligent people will soon learn to just ignore them. Eventually the poor troll gets tired, and that's when the topic drops from the front page and disappears into the archives. The work of the great trolls, however, will live on as a resource for long to come.

So why do so many people have such a problem with trolling?
Although I agree with your theory, in theory (wink), it doesn't hold up in practice. Yes, an intelligent troll can be witty and fun, but 95% of trolls are a dumb 18 year old knob who THINKS he's intelligent and witty, but is really as dumb as a brick.

Secondly, they tend to bring out extreme emotions from users and sometimes cause large "falling outs" between users who were previously friends. They instigate members to fight one another oftentimes if left to run unchecked. That is BAD for the online community.
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This is a serious question. Why do so many people have such a problem with trolling?

The best trolls are witty, intelligent creatures. Watching a good troll in action is like watching an artist. They stimulate discussion, they present viewpoints that people wouldn't normally consider, they provide entertainment (which is probably the main reason we're all here). In short, trolls are a species worth preserving. Sure, I've seen plenty of poor trolls who lack the skills to pull it off, who contribute little and constantly need to bump their own topics to try to stoke the flames, but most intelligent people will soon learn to just ignore them. Eventually the poor troll gets tired, and that's when the topic drops from the front page and disappears into the archives. The work of the great trolls, however, will live on as a resource for long to come.

So why do so many people have such a problem with trolling?
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Old 09-02-07, 09:25 AM   #11
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Brian - could you link to a few trolls that fall into the witty, intelligent creature category? There's one I'm thinking of that would just make comments in prose to make it seem like he was thinking deeply when he was only trying to make people who wanted support feel like crap. To me there's no value in telling someone who's trying to make amends with their family that it's all their fault without any other facts. That's not witty even if the way it was written in made it seem like it was.
Oh I know who you are referring to. Is this the same person that pretended not to know what was going on, thus prompting the other person to tell her heart out? Then kinda laughed and said he already knew, but just wanted to see how she would handle the question?

Oh that still burns me up.

That was down outright mean.
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This is a serious question. Why do so many people have such a problem with trolling?

So why do so many people have such a problem with trolling?
Just using the A&S forum as a microcosmical example of the troll issue.........
Endless trolling has taken a could-be useful forum and turned into blackeye
for BF....Ive never seen a clever troll, only irritating ones.
Its not worth the time to try to sort through their posts when they are getting bloated from feeding off of whatever forum they are corrupting, A&S, P&R, Roadie, Fixie/ss, etc....But, I guess there were people who thought Pauly Shore was entertaining too.
Might be a good idea for a new sub-forum, though.
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I wanted to come in an say something but after reading this thread it seems as though some of us have already forgotten what this thread is supposed to be about and insist on trolling for other users to come out of the woodwork and attack people who they believe to have attacked one of their own
The offensive trolls suck
but I've rarely seen a troll at work that wasn't trying to say something about the way we all perceive things and yet are
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scared? to actually talk about them
"abortionpunch" is a troll
I'm a troll
I think we are all trolls, too
Some, I believe, lack the guts to talk
Some lack the patience
some lack the emotion to give a ****

I can probably look through Foo for an hour and see only a handful of threads that mean anything
Those are the Foo threads
All other small talk is some hope to get to know one another through the "little things" but -I think- we all know that we are essentially the same person and thus don't learn anything unless we make an effort to get truly inside them ..but we still look good doing it. Being interested in the little things is great but the real little things are those that take a while to find ..not the crap we all do on a daily basis.
If caring is to understand the basics we would have no problems in this world
Why do people kill
Why do people hate
why do people ...................

Start up one of those threads and you call that poster a troll
like we all know why
just not even try?


Personally
I don't set out to hurt people
I am competitive in real life, though
not one in the same
Competition helps and inspires
those of you hating on me is your problem the way I see it
You could ask me anything to get to know me a little better
Who has?
Rather just pin troll on me, I guess

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Troll!
Nah, not Chris.
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Oh I know who you are referring to. Is this the same person that pretended not to know what was going on, thus prompting the other person to tell her heart out? Then kinda laughed and said he already knew, but just wanted to see how she would handle the question?

Oh that still burns me up.

That was down outright mean.
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This is a serious question. Why do so many people have such a problem with trolling?

The best trolls are witty, intelligent creatures. Watching a good troll in action is like watching an artist. They stimulate discussion, they present viewpoints that people wouldn't normally consider, they provide entertainment (which is probably the main reason we're all here). In short, trolls are a species worth preserving. Sure, I've seen plenty of poor trolls who lack the skills to pull it off, who contribute little and constantly need to bump their own topics to try to stoke the flames, but most intelligent people will soon learn to just ignore them. Eventually the poor troll gets tired, and that's when the topic drops from the front page and disappears into the archives. The work of the great trolls, however, will live on as a resource for long to come.

So why do so many people have such a problem with trolling?
I love those trolls. I love interacting with them.

I think the term troll has simply been relegated to the lowest form of poster.
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I've got something like 20 users on my ignore list. sometimes I can't help myself and still have to view their posts to see what kind of idiocy they are up to.
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I wanted to come in an say something but after reading this thread it seems as though some of us have already forgotten what this thread is supposed to be about and insist on trolling for other users to come out of the woodwork and attack people who they believe to have attacked one of their own . . . .
Hey, SoS:

Something appears to be wrong with your computer. It seems to randomly hit the Enter/Return key for you. It also seems to refuse to put periods at the end of sentences. You might want to get that checked.

You're welcome.
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I love the trolls who are intelligent and witty, but I can't stand the ones who only think they are.
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And the second group of course are reading what you just wrote and thinking they are the first group...
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I always thought 53-11 was hilarious the way he'd get the road forum all wound up, and there was a guy called Spuds McDougle on the Recumbent forum who had them all crying uncle and he would send coffee flying out my nose.
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I think you missed the part about trolls being witty. BJ is anything but.

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