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    My favorite little youtube star

    A little over a year ago i think it was i came across this video on youtube. You see, i have this little thing i do, i enjoy searching for people playing music on youtube. Sometimes you find a good artist but most of the time they just kids with little talent and is entertaining for completely different reasons.

    Well, so i came across this video, from the poor image quality i initially thought it was some dark haired "emo" guy and had to watch it, then the guy started singing and she blew me away.

    Here is that
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARHyRI9_NB4

    Her video, very quickly, got very popular on youtube and within a few weeks a search of "say its possible" brought up hundreds of youtube viewer remakes.

    For the next few months her other songs gained in popularity, her website got a little more fancy, she started doing video blogs etc.

    She started showing other songs, most of them pretty good, but none of them had that hook that Say It's Possible had. Still, i had faith and continued to follow her.

    She asked the community to put little phrases on signs all over the world and she made a pretty cool video with the song
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlXlhFlHR8A

    A few more months and the songs get more popular, specifically Say Its Possible, and she announces that she's done a studio version of the song, with another video, and that it and an all acoustic version would be released on Itunes
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qo8-...e=user&search=

    Then came this
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rz09n...e=user&search=

    I decided to see whats up with her, i'm subscribed to her and she released this video the other day
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=cdTqLkrkoSk

    here is the video/studio version
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1JKVxiKoZc

    I feel like this could be another great single on an album, which is due out this month.


    10 years ago you had to be into the local band scene, and every once and a while while in a bar you'd hear a band that rocked your socks off, and you followed them, and maybe they hit it big and you could say "i saw REM before they were REM" (which is what someone once told me). Today, things like youtube bring it to your living room.

    Although i don't typically listen to this kind of music, i can appreciate a good musician. I'm at that point of "fandum" where you can say you've followed them from the start and they are going to get big. I really think its gonna happen, and i really want it to. It's an odd feeling.

    Hmmm...well, i've rambled long enough.

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    wow..thats pretty wild how someone can go from making homevideos of themselves singing songs in there room or something to playing at live earth and making fully produced videos. Theres a lot of undiscovered talent out there.

    I hope she makes it too...shes a great vocalist, musician, and shes a cutie..hehehe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by g0tink87 View Post
    wow..thats pretty wild how someone can go from making homevideos of themselves singing songs in there room or something to playing at live earth and making fully produced videos. Theres a lot of undiscovered talent out there.

    I hope she makes it too...shes a great vocalist, musician, and shes a cutie..hehehe.
    I'm sure she was playing local bars and what not, but yeah...totally. Zero to hero in a matter of months due to youtube. And she's not the first, and it's not just happening in the music industry. As i told her in a message, it's refreshing to see a genuine, seemingly fun/kind person working hard at what they love and having great success. That is in stark contrast to things like American Idol, manufactured bands like NSYNC etc.

    But yeah, she is kinda cute, i guess i -heart- her

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    This guys has a VH1 show coming out soon, thanks to Youtube. Not EXACTLY the same thing, but it's hilarious enough to post.

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    She's great, thanks for the link.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cooker View Post
    She's great, thanks for the link.
    And the love spreads...

    See how that works!

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    I hate you for making me love music even more.

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    i preferred the DIY versions of both songs and videos to the 'studio' versions.

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    Sounds familiar...so much so that I think I have been to her concert (or wait that was a decade ago)? Won't bother naming (especially since its been about 10 years since I listened to this other persons music), but her music is pretty much a ripoff (especially the guitar).

    Impressive how far she has been able to take it, the best compliment is copying (or something like that), I wonder what the music mogals of the world think of movement/improvement without cost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maelstrom View Post
    Sounds familiar...so much so that I think I have been to her concert (or wait that was a decade ago)? Won't bother naming (especially since its been about 10 years since I listened to this other persons music), but her music is pretty much a ripoff (especially the guitar).

    Impressive how far she has been able to take it, the best compliment is copying (or something like that), I wonder what the music mogals of the world think of movement/improvement without cost.
    Isn't it ironic?

    You're not the first, and most likely not the last to make the comparison.

    "Here I am who I am," she croaks, belligerently, "and if you don't like it, then **** you, man" - which is basically Alanis Morissette's Hand In My Pocket revisited, but still.

    source

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    How old do you have to be to remember a song that sounds like another song?
    Just asking.

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    Hank Williams made a career out of constantly redoing existing songs, so have many other artists. Good songs live forever in endless permutations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maximan1 View Post
    How old do you have to be to remember a song that sounds like another song?
    Just asking.
    Its simple, its more similar than dissimilar. I re-listened in a more sober state and its almost a copy. Reworking, playing with the sound and sampling songs are one thing. This is more than a sample.

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    Quote Originally Posted by randya View Post
    Hank Williams made a career out of constantly redoing existing songs, so have many other artists. Good songs live forever in endless permutations.
    so did elvis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maelstrom View Post
    Sounds familiar...so much so that I think I have been to her concert (or wait that was a decade ago)? Won't bother naming (especially since its been about 10 years since I listened to this other persons music), but her music is pretty much a ripoff (especially the guitar).

    Impressive how far she has been able to take it, the best compliment is copying (or something like that), I wonder what the music mogals of the world think of movement/improvement without cost.
    Hate to break it to you but most singer/songwriter type music is essentially the same musically. Do you play any guitar?

    "say it's possible" for instance

    Em7
    Cadd9
    G
    repeate

    Free bird
    G
    C
    D
    Em

    Essentially the same thing backwards

    My friend wrote a song called "Why must you butt ****?" long before "say its possible"
    Em7
    Cadd9
    G
    repeate

    Wonderwall by Oasis?
    Em7
    Cadd9
    G
    Repeate

    It's just the nature of simplistic music...

    If you don't know how to play a guitar, pick one up, teach yourself G C E D and maybe A and you can probably play 75% of the songs that get played on the radio and have been for the past 50 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by botto View Post
    so did elvis.
    Most white rockers stole their music from black blues artists of the early 20th century...frankly i prefer the likes of scratch robert johnson recordings then elvis and clapton, but they are still pretty damn good too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timmyquest View Post
    Most white rockers stole their music from black blues artists of the early 20th century...frankly i prefer the likes of scratch robert johnson recordings then elvis and clapton, but they are still pretty damn good too.
    whiloe i'm not an elvis fan, nor am an expert on music.

    that said, i wouldn't be so naive to claim that he 'stole' his music from r&b artists.

    i suggest you do the same.

    clapton, that's something completely different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by botto View Post
    whiloe i'm not an elvis fan, nor am an expert on music.

    that said, i wouldn't be so naive to claim that he 'stole' his music from r&b artists.
    i suggest you do the same.

    clapton, that's something completely different.

    Ok, while i'm not an expert i have studied the history of american music pretty extensivily...the large portion of music that got him into the limelight was remakes of songs previously written by black blues artists

    I'll give you one of the best examples...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=We8P_Ww27hY

    I'll take mama's version any day
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XUAg1_A7IE

    The thing is, rock and roll and its variations stem from delta blues which in its self was nothing more then an extraction of old black/slave spiritual songs.

    Why is it that it took so long for these black artists to gain recogonition for something that they had been doing for decades already?

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    I will say this though, elvis didn't just take music from black blues artists, he took it from a wide range of artists from different genres.

    He was really the first to mix blues/rock'n'roll with country western and turn it into something that most people could enjoy. That is really why he's king...

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    Quote Originally Posted by timmyquest View Post
    Ok, while i'm not an expert i have studied the history of american music pretty extensivily...the large portion of music that got him into the limelight was remakes of songs previously written by black blues artists

    I'll give you one of the best examples...

    htt p://www.youtube.com/watch?v=We8P_Ww27hY

    I'll take mama's version any day
    [ur l]ht tp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XUAg1_A7IE[/url]

    The thing is, rock and roll and its variations stem from delta blues which in its self was nothing more then an extraction of old black/slave spiritual songs.

    Why is it that it took so long for these black artists to gain recogonition for something that they had been doing for decades already?
    you tell me, you're the one who seems to know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timmyquest View Post
    Ok, while i'm not an expert i have studied the history of american music pretty extensivily...the large portion of music that got him into the limelight was remakes of songs previously written by black blues artists

    I'll give you one of the best examples...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=We8P_Ww27hY

    I'll take mama's version any day
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XUAg1_A7IE

    The thing is, rock and roll and its variations stem from delta blues which in its self was nothing more then an extraction of old black/slave spiritual songs.

    Why is it that it took so long for these black artists to gain recogonition for something that they had been doing for decades already?
    "Hound Dog" written in 1952 by Jerry Leiber and Mike Stoller (both white). If you are really interested in the origins of the blues, you need to go back much further. You might want to check out Huddie Leadbetter (Leadbelly) (1888-1949)

    - Wil

    PS: Oh, and by the way, I took a listen to the girl mentioned in the original post, and was not impressed. It seems to me that she sounds similar to many other wanna-be singer-songwriters of the Alanis Morrisette school, with that feeble, underdeveloped, wavering little apology of a voice, bleating out to the incessant strumming of the obligatory guitar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by botto View Post
    you tell me, you're the one who seems to know.
    There is no certainty but there are pretty logical and easy explanations. The most obvious being race tensions. Whites were not going to allow blacks to infiltrate their homes and their youth through music. Hell, they didn't even let Elvis shake his hips.

    The second is simply a matter of location. Take, Robert Johnson, who is widely accepted to be the first recorded blues artist. This happened circa 1930(?). Much of these artists, like the majority of blacks, where poor. But this was especially true for those in the Delta. Its a simple fact that the people that were making this music lived in small poor, all black communities nearly entirely withdrawn from southern white society which in itself was withdrawn from the cities where music reigned. New York, Chicago, Memphis.

    The only reason Johnson was discovered was because the library of congress sent out a team of scholars to the south to record "folk music". I have a feeling they were pleasantly surprised by what they found.

    Over the years though the music grew. Jazz, which is an offshoot of blues, flourished in New Orleans, people like Muddy Waters made their way up to St. Louis and Chicago and plugged their guitars into amplifiers...yatta yatta yatta.

    So the simple answer as to why they didn't get their fame when they could have...should have..

    -Racism
    -Monetary reasons
    -Separation of cultures

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    Quote Originally Posted by timmyquest View Post
    There is no certainty but there are pretty logical and easy explanations. The most obvious being race tensions. Whites were not going to allow blacks to infiltrate their homes and their youth through music. Hell, they didn't even let Elvis shake his hips.

    The second is simply a matter of location. Take, Robert Johnson, who is widely accepted to be the first recorded blues artist. This happened circa 1930(?). Much of these artists, like the majority of blacks, where poor. But this was especially true for those in the Delta. Its a simple fact that the people that were making this music lived in small poor, all black communities nearly entirely withdrawn from southern white society which in itself was withdrawn from the cities where music reigned. New York, Chicago, Memphis.

    The only reason Johnson was discovered was because the library of congress sent out a team of scholars to the south to record "folk music". I have a feeling they were pleasantly surprised by what they found.

    Over the years though the music grew. Jazz, which is an offshoot of blues, flourished in New Orleans, people like Muddy Waters made their way up to St. Louis and Chicago and plugged their guitars into amplifiers...yatta yatta yatta.

    So the simple answer as to why they didn't get their fame when they could have...should have..

    -Racism
    -Monetary reasons
    -Separation of cultures
    like i've already written, i'm not an expert (by any means) on music, but i do know that:

    1. jazz is not an "offshoot of blues".

    2. elvis was far from rich himself.

    whatever, this has nothing to do with you OP. if the daughter of a plastic surgeon was able to manipulate youtube to her advantage (even if she borrowed from AM, not to mention Bob Dylan and Gillian Wearing in the video), i say good on her.

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    1. jazz is not an "offshoot of blues".
    I'm not sure how you can say that with confidence. *edit* Didn't take long to google this... http://www.jass.com/jazzo.html

    As for the wealth of Elvis, any financial qualms he had was his own fault...

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