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Old 09-09-07, 06:56 PM   #1
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National Geographic Fat Gene Mystery....

I've been watching the National Geographic channel for weeks since getting digital cable. It is very interesting watching the primitive tribes and how they live and exist. Most would consider them primitive and unrefined.

Most live on grubs, or whatever they happen to be able to kill. The funny thing is that despite observing hundreds of members of these tribes, I am yet to observe one that inherited the "fat gene" that everyone here in the U.S. seems to get.

Why is that?
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Old 09-09-07, 07:04 PM   #2
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The Fat gene is contagious. like the homosexual gene. At least that's what I hear from fellow Kansans.
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Old 09-09-07, 07:06 PM   #3
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The Fat gene is contagious. like the homosexual gene. At least that's what I hear from fellow Kansans.
Yeah, we're stupid like that.
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Well, I'm not one to buy into the "fat gene" thing, or many other "disorders" that seem to be so common in America and used to validate something other than people accepting the fact that they are just lazy.
But you are talking about indigenous(sp?) tribes. So with their lifestyles and hardships it's possible that if there was a "fat gene" in their DNA it would have been bread out by now.
but i'm just playing Devils Advocate. I don't buy into that crap... and I'm a fat man.
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Old 09-09-07, 07:16 PM   #5
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Last time we got into this subject, there was a flame outbreak. What is being referred to as a fat gene isn't really, it's a survival mechanism that's useful in a less advanced hunter/gatherer society. In a post industrial society with plenty of food, it can become a lethal gene expression that can CONTRIBUTE to obesity. It's nowhere near a sole cause though.

To put it simply, if your body is better at storing on fat reserves for lean times, in a less advanced society, this is a survival advantage.

Now, the only relevance this has in debate is that if you happen to have that predisposition, then your behaviors need to offset it. Knowledge can be used as a tool for positive change, or a tool for enablement, or as an excuse to do nothing at all. The choice is all on the individual as to how you use the knowledge.
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Last time we got into this subject, there was a flame outbreak. What is being referred to as a fat gene isn't really, it's a survival mechanism that's useful in a less advanced hunter/gatherer society.

Well, I am by no means an expert, but I haven't seen it....EVER in a tribe that has been documented on television. So my question is an honest one.
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Well, I am by no means an expert, but I haven't seen it....EVER in a tribe that has been documented on television. So my question is an honest one.
Fair enough The less advanced tribal societies shown are those same Hunter/Gatherers I was referring to. If you want to have something for comparison, look at obesity statistics here on the CDC website.
http://www.cdc.gov/genomics/training...s/obesedit.htm
http://www.cdc.gov/nccdphp/dnpa/obesity/trend/index.htm

University of Washington
http://depts.washington.edu/cgph/cen...ls/obesity.htm

University of Florida study publication on the Melanocortin/Appetite suppression genetic glitch.
http://news.ufl.edu/2006/07/31/genobese/
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Your point (links) are well taken, but I think the point of my thread is that a lot of people alledge that obesity is completely out of one's control. The links I clicked on, do nothing to support that. One thing that seems apparent, you can't eat a LOT of calories and exercise very little and not get obese.

I just wish we could lose this "gene" crutch. I know that some are obviously more predisposed to be obese, but it's the crutch that I am "out to get."
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Your point (links) are well taken, but I think the point of my thread is that a lot of people alledge that obesity is completely out of one's control. The links I clicked on, do nothing to support that. One thing that seems apparent, you can't eat a LOT of calories and exercise very little and not get obese.

I just wish we could lose this "gene" crutch. I know that some are obviously more predisposed to be obese, but it's the crutch that I am "out to get."
Like I said above, it's not the knowledge, instead it's how you apply it
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the fat gene thing makes me mad, just like these people who are a mere hundred pounds over weight and rush out to have their stomachs cut out. there are several women on my photography forum that have gone out and had this procedure. and then come online and boast about how they lost 20 pounds in 2 weeks, how they lost 80 pounds in 6 months. newflash!!! a hundred pounds over weight isnt something you need surgery for. im all for someone who is HONESTLY morbidly obese getting the surgery, but i know LOTS of people who with diet and exercise have lost 80-100 pounds or more in a single year. if you honestly cant get up out of the bed because your bones arent strong enough to support your weight, fine, get the surgery and lose that weight. but christ almighty, if you can haul your fat ass to the closest mcdonalds for a double cheese burger, large fry, and diet coke, you can haul your fat ass off the couch and start small with a little walking around the neighborhood. losing weight is hard and it sucks and it takes a lot of hard work and determination....to see people blame their obesity on some 'gene', rather than accept the truth that shoving 6,000 calories into their sedentary bodies is what got them where they are....or people who are physically well enough to lose weight without surgery, but go under the knife while trying to suck sympathy from others with their 'oh, ive tried everything, this is the only way' crap...it just really ticks me off

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Well, I am by no means an expert, but I haven't seen it....EVER in a tribe that has been documented on television. So my question is an honest one.
It's possible that you have. How many of those tribal members survived a famine with the same amount of food as one of their tribe who died from it? Could there be a group of genes that regulated their metabolism in a more efficient manner, which was the reason they did not die? What is efficient in a situation with an underabundance of food is not necessarily so in a situation with an overabundance. Still, as Tom said, it's not an excuse, but it can be an excellent tool for understanding yourself and what you need to do to remain healthy. It may well not be what's ok for others around you. That's not fair, but that's life for you.
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