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Old 09-10-07, 05:19 PM   #1
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Sydney's killer featured on Dr. Phil

Did anyone else happen to catch it? http://bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=341124

I just watched it and Damn I am mad.
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Old 09-10-07, 05:52 PM   #2
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I didn't see the show. Did the idiots think texting while driving was ok learn anything or are they still stupid?
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A friend of mine was telling me the other day about a girl he knows who checks out her MySpace page while driving. I have a feeling that text messaging is only the beginning.

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I saw enough of it to know that the 'subject' has no business behind the wheel, and the 'mother' needs to discipline her own kid and not look to a TV pseudo-shrink for answers

Parents like this **** me off!

As an aside, I realized how little responsibility is left in the parent/ child relationship when I was complimented in a grocery store for telling my kid 'no' in public! I appreciated the appreciation, but really, shouldn't that be a commonplace act!

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I missed it. damn. I wonder if I can buy the episode.
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I didn't catch the show either- I just hope Dr. Phil's producers did right by Sydney and his daughter.

I don't mean to derail this thread, and if this needs to go to A&S, I understand, but I thought I'd mention something that happened this past Saturday. We've all experienced this, I know. I was at a 4-way stop. I stopped at the intersection to let a cab make a turn (he was there first). There was another car behind the cab, and the driver of that car and I made eye contact, and he indicated that I was good to go. So, I cautiously proceeded to make a turn into the intersection, when around that car comes another cyclist (a late teen, FWIW) who almost took me out, sailing through the stop. When I mentioned (politely, BTW) that he had a stop sign, he not-so-nicely informed me that he'd take care of himself and I should take care of myself. With an attitude like that (and I know it's pervasive), is it any wonder that people (not just teens) have this "no big deal" thing about texting?

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I missed it. damn. I wonder if I can buy the episode.
I wish i could get it off of the DVR but I am stuck with stupid Cox cable and I don't think there is any way to get it off short of possibly to VHS, but I don't want to screw with that. The main focus of the show was this one self absorbed girl who contended that she should be able to text and drive because she is a "good texter."

Then they spoke to sydney's killer and he of course was remorseful and everyone patronized the young, possibly justifingly so, but it is to much for me to take. I was really effected by sydney's passing and the thought of being taken out from the rear like that is haunting.

There is absolutely nothing you can do about it. I guess the only real thing i took away from the show was the hopelessness of the entire car culture as it is today. There are just waaaaay to many self absorbed carpet smokers (sydney term) on the road today.

Most of these stupid kids have absolutely no knowledge of how fast their car is going while they are flying down the road playing with their phone. The only hope would be more education for them prior to driving, but unfortunately the only education most of them get is after they kill somebody.
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It's been a long time since I was a teenager but I do remember that I thought I was indestructible.
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It's been a long time since I was a teenager but I do remember that I thought I was indestructible.
Yeah- me too. But I don't remember thinking that everyone else was.
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Might find someone torrented it...maybe
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I think I would kill the ******* if I got within ten feet.
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With so many people in this world, would it matter if there was one less person? I say we get rid of the kid, he's killed once before, he'll kill again.
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With so many people in this world, would it matter if there was one less person? I say we get rid of the kid, he's killed once before, he'll kill again.

It's almost like the kid was the victim. There was a lot more talk about how great he was for doing public speaking against texting and driving, but part of that was his sentence. I know the kid is truly sorry, but as always in these situations, the victim is dead. He's never coming back and he doesn't get to utter a single word on the subject.

That is what the "justice" system is supposed to be for, but when it comes to vehicle/pedestrian deaths, there is sort of a "whoopsie" attitude taken by all parties involved other than the poor victim.
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I don't care if the kid's truly sorry, some mistakes in life, you only get 1 chance to make.

It's like saying, "I regret drinking the cyanide", I don't care if you're sorry, it's too late. I say we get rid of him, that would convey the message a LOT louder and clearer than any public speaking this kid will ever do.

You think a classroom full of high school kids is gonna think "gee I better be more careful, I don't want to end up like this kid giving me the speech right now"? No freaking way.

Take him out and I bet a lot more high school kids are gonna go "holy ****! They just executed the son of a *****! Holy ****! I better be more careful out there."
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I saw enough of it to know that the 'subject' has no business behind the wheel, and the 'mother' needs to discipline her own kid and not look to a TV pseudo-shrink for answers

Parents like this **** me off!

As an aside, I realized how little responsibility is left in the parent/ child relationship when I was complimented in a grocery store for telling my kid 'no' in public! I appreciated the appreciation, but really, shouldn't that be a commonplace act!

Your job as a parent is to raise a respectable adult, not a friend or an eternal child! [/endrant]


Sorry, I kinda get worked up about this stuff.
Me too. It's somewhat comforting to know I'm not the only one who sees the connection between the child that is never told no and the teenager who only thinks of his/herself.
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Thats the sad thing about people, they want to be safe so they buy huge cars, and end up killing other people because they're irresponsible, but SAFE, so they don't have to give a flying ****.

I drive a car that weighs barely a ton, I depend on my paying attention and it's maneuverability to keep me from being in accidents, and if it comes down to it, I depend on my wits and reflexes to keep me from dying in such an accident, because no matter how big a car I buy, I can never depend that it's big enough.
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I think I would kill the ******* if I got within ten feet.
that's a very well reasoned and mature response.
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I saw it. it was a good show.

The girl that was on there needs a severe smack down and mom needs biotch slapped. They are both a hazard to others on the road.

The young man that was there appeared to be truly contrite. He stated that in the courtroom he went over to Jim's (Sidney)family and apologized. The family not only forgave him, but petitioned the court for leniency in sentencing.

Now, if the family is capable of such gracious forgiveness, why can't we as a community let go of it?

We are brought in to this world owing a death, each and everyone of us owes a death. Some come sooner, some come later. Some come at the hands of a virulent disease, some come at the hands of a selfish human being acting greed or selfishness. We don't get to choose how or when, unless we choose to die at our own hand.

Just as Sidney's family must live with the repercussions of what has happened, so must this young man. They will heal. Speaking as one who has lost a loved one at the selfish hand of another... They WILL heal. Forgiveness brings about faster healing. They won't forget, but they will heal.

Don't we as a community deserve the chance to heal as well?

Let's start by forgiving.
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I saw it. it was a good show.

The girl that was on there needs a severe smack down and mom needs biotch slapped. They are both a hazard to others on the road.

The young man that was there appeared to be truly contrite. He stated that in the courtroom he went over to Jim's (Sidney)family and apologized. The family not only forgave him, but petitioned the court for leniency in sentencing.

Now, if the family is capable of such gracious forgiveness, why can't we as a community let go of it?

We are brought in to this world owing a death, each and everyone of us owes a death. Some come sooner, some come later. Some come at the hands of a virulent disease, some come at the hands of a selfish human being acting greed or selfishness. We don't get to choose how or when, unless we choose to die at our own hand.

Just as Sidney's family must live with the repercussions of what has happened, so must this young man. They will heal. Speaking as one who has lost a loved one at the selfish hand of another... They WILL heal. Forgiveness brings about faster healing. They won't forget, but they will heal.

Don't we as a community deserve the chance to heal as well?

Let's start by forgiving.
I don't get it. You start off by railing on two people who are hazards to others on the road, and don't seem to "get it", and then you petition for absolution for someone who has made the same egregious mistake that these two might possibly (likely?) commit. I just don't get it.
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I don't get it. You start off by railing on two people who are hazards to others on the road, and don't seem to "get it", and then you petition for absolution for someone who has made the same egregious mistake that these two might possibly (likely?) commit. I just don't get it.
I actually understand Stacey's point here.

It's just plain not healthy to carry anger. The young man has made what effort he was able to to at least try to make amends and may well have a positive impact down the road to help prevent this from happening again. It's impossible for him to ever truly make amends, but likely, he realizes this more than anyone else and has to live with it for the rest of his days. At least he is willing to take responsibility and own his actions consequences.

The Mother/Daughter combo is continuing dangerous behavior, so in their case, yes, it's healthy to feel anger because we may be sharing the road with them.
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Thank you Tom, that's right.

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I don't get it. You start off by railing on two people who are hazards to others on the road, and don't seem to "get it", and then you petition for absolution for someone who has made the same egregious mistake that these two might possibly (likely?) commit. I just don't get it.
That's the problem with linear thinking. You're seeing these people on a common thread of actions, when in reality they travel on individual threads.

I petition for nothing except closure.
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I saw it. it was a good show.
We are brought in to this world owing a death, each and everyone of us owes a death. Some come sooner, some come later. Some come at the hands of a virulent disease, some come at the hands of a selfish human being acting greed or selfishness. We don't get to choose how or when, unless we choose to die at our own hand.
But you can certainly statistically reduce the how or when.
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I didn't see the show. Did the idiots think texting while driving was ok learn anything or are they still stupid?
Here's the lengthy interview text from his website - with pics.

http://www.drphil.com/shows/show/928
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I saw it. it was a good show.

The girl that was on there needs a severe smack down and mom needs biotch slapped. They are both a hazard to others on the road.

The young man that was there appeared to be truly contrite. He stated that in the courtroom he went over to Jim's (Sidney)family and apologized. The family not only forgave him, but petitioned the court for leniency in sentencing.

Now, if the family is capable of such gracious forgiveness, why can't we as a community let go of it?

We are brought in to this world owing a death, each and everyone of us owes a death. Some come sooner, some come later. Some come at the hands of a virulent disease, some come at the hands of a selfish human being acting greed or selfishness. We don't get to choose how or when, unless we choose to die at our own hand.

Just as Sidney's family must live with the repercussions of what has happened, so must this young man. They will heal. Speaking as one who has lost a loved one at the selfish hand of another... They WILL heal. Forgiveness brings about faster healing. They won't forget, but they will heal.

Don't we as a community deserve the chance to heal as well?

Let's start by forgiving.



Best post of the year. Way to go Stacey. I agree 1,000,000%.
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But you can certainly statistically reduce the how or when.
Yes, I agree, you can take steps in that direction.

This is why the young woman and her mother should both have some sense knocked it to them.

This is why DRIVING DISTRACTED... regardless of the distraction should carry stiff penalties. You are behind the wheel for one thing and one thing only to move a vehicle from point A to point B, that's it. Anything else is a distraction.

You can't go back and undo the fact that that young man killed Sidney. I was merely tangentially illustrating that Sidney owed a death regardless of how it was orchestrated
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