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Old 09-13-07, 01:59 PM   #1
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This place is ****ed UP!!!

What the hell is going on 'round here...New ad system is sweet, browsing threads is even sweeter especially when you can't read!
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Must be forum issues related to implementing new advertisements. Oh joy.....glad to see the proper priorities.
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im thinkin if you have the star, you have paid something, so you don't see ads.
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what ads?
some of us refuse to drink the kool aid.
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dreenk eeeeeeeet!
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What the hell is going on 'round here...New ad system is sweet, browsing threads is even sweeter especially when you can't read!
http://adblockplus.org/en/
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some of us refuse to drink the kool aid.
No....just too cheap to support something that gives you so much.
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The ads bother me less then forums that don't work. What's ironic is that i have no right to complain since i don't own this website or pay anything to it...that is, until, ads are involved.
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it's worth it not to see the ads
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No....just too cheap to support something that gives you so much.
nice try sparky, but i give as good as i get.
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hey my dog is named sparky, use something else to insult KT
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secret santa should give botto a red star just to be spiteful
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secret santa should give botto a red star just to be spiteful
please don't.
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No....just too cheap to support something that gives you so much.
TBH: Running the little site I do, and how much EXTRA bandwidth I have with so little advertisements... I wonder how much a website like this rakes in.

By giving those ad hits, you more than pay the webmaster for what they provide. Believe me, I am one, and appreciate every hit that downloads a BBCode or visits a page on my site. I got a noticeable difference in income just from people visiting my RAAM blog post, and that was a handful of users, and almost covered 1/10th of my hosting bill for the month (which I estimate can hold some 10,000 active users minimum). In a matter of a day or two of people wandering onto my site. (point is that ad revenue should be proportional to your servers top load, and if you're not overbuying, you're turning a fit profit, I'm WAY overbuying too, by a good 10,000% at least)


Of course once I start selling software, I'm planning on removing all advertisements except for stuff advertising my own downloads and purchasable software. *shrugs*

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Old 09-13-07, 03:37 PM   #17
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nice try sparky, but i give as good as i get.
And helping others should inspire them to to pay up, sparkless.

Typical reaction by cheapos who won't pay to support a site but complain about the lack of support from sitemasters. It's member contributions that helped to keep the site going. Somebody had to pay that hosting fee, and with the traffic this site gets, it was not hosted on one of those $5/month hosting services.
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And helping others should inspire them to to pay up, sparkless.

Typical reaction by cheapos who won't pay to support a site but complain about the lack of support from sitemasters. It's member contributions that helped to keep the site going. Somebody had to pay that hosting fee, and with the traffic this site gets, it was not hosted on one of those $5/month hosting services.
getting browbeaten by self righteous twats isn't exactly a good marketing plan.

not just saying, i'm actually sayin' (or writing as the case may be).

btw - wtf did you read any comments by me complaining about 'lack of support'?

you haven't.
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keep it civil gentlemen!!!!!! mean spirited name calling is not allowed.
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The quotes are all screwed up. New text appears to the right of the quoted block, not below as it should be!
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BTW: Bikeforums seems to be hosted by GoDaddy, which is one of those "$5 hosting companies" (sure it's on a bigger package, but it's not on some uber high-quality high-price company.)

(At least I believe ZoneEdit is part of Godaddy's network)


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Further research suggests ZoneEdit is a free DNS managing solution. However I swear I've set up GoDaddy accounts that resolved to ZoneEdit, much how 1and1.com resolves to perfora.net.

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Strangewill:

The way you find out where something is hosted is with a trace route. Looking up the domain registration is useless.

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Report for www.bikeforums.net [75.126.17.36]

Analysis: 'www.bikeforums.net' [web.bikeforums.net] was found in 16 hops (TTL=42). It is a HTTP server (running Apache/2.2.3 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.2.3 OpenSSL/0.9.7a DAV/2 PHP/5.2.4). 

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
| Hop | %Loss | IP Address      | Node Name                               | Location       
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| 10  |       | 4.69.134.21     | ae-7.ebr2.Dallas1.Level3.net            | 32.48n, 96.52w 
| 11  |       | 4.68.122.109    | ae-21-54.car1.Dallas1.Level3.net        | 32.48n, 96.52w 
| 12  |       | 209.246.152.246 | INTERNAP-NE.car1.Dallas1.Level3.net     | 32.48n, 96.52w 
| 13  |       | 216.52.191.83   | border3.tge4-1-bbnet2.ext1.dal.pnap.net | -              
| 14  |       | 216.52.189.30   | softlayer-6.border3.ext1.dal.pnap.net   | -             
| 15  |       | 66.228.118.158  | po52.fcr01.dal01.dallas-datacenter.com  |               
| 16  |       | 75.126.17.36    | www.bikeforums.net                      |                 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Roundtrip time to www.bikeforums.net, average = 62ms, min = 60ms, max = 69ms -- Sep 13, 2007 8:28:18 PM
Further research shows it's probably hosted here.
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BTW: Bikeforums seems to be hosted by GoDaddy, which is one of those "$5 hosting companies" (sure it's on a bigger package, but it's not on some uber high-quality high-price company.)

(At least I believe ZoneEdit is part of Godaddy's network)


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Further research suggests ZoneEdit is a free DNS managing solution. However I swear I've set up GoDaddy accounts that resolved to ZoneEdit, much how 1and1.com resolves to perfora.net.
FYI, I use GoDaddy to REGISTER my domains, ZoneEdit for my DNS, and The Planet to host my servers, although I'm thinking of moving one to a KC local data center that will give me physical access to my box.

Regardless, to the un-trained eye, it could easily appear that I'm using GoDaddy or ZoneEdit to "host" everything, but a site like this would probably crumble under its own weight (far worse than it already is) on a GoDaddy shared hosting plan.
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The way you find out where something is hosted is with a trace route. Looking up the domain registration is useless.

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Report for www.bikeforums.net [75.126.17.36]

Analysis: 'www.bikeforums.net' [web.bikeforums.net] was found in 16 hops (TTL=42). It is a HTTP server (running Apache/2.2.3 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.2.3 OpenSSL/0.9.7a DAV/2 PHP/5.2.4). 

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
| Hop | %Loss | IP Address      | Node Name                               | Location       
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| 10  |       | 4.69.134.21     | ae-7.ebr2.Dallas1.Level3.net            | 32.48n, 96.52w 
| 11  |       | 4.68.122.109    | ae-21-54.car1.Dallas1.Level3.net        | 32.48n, 96.52w 
| 12  |       | 209.246.152.246 | INTERNAP-NE.car1.Dallas1.Level3.net     | 32.48n, 96.52w 
| 13  |       | 216.52.191.83   | border3.tge4-1-bbnet2.ext1.dal.pnap.net | -              
| 14  |       | 216.52.189.30   | softlayer-6.border3.ext1.dal.pnap.net   | -             
| 15  |       | 66.228.118.158  | po52.fcr01.dal01.dallas-datacenter.com  |               
| 16  |       | 75.126.17.36    | www.bikeforums.net                      |                 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Roundtrip time to www.bikeforums.net, average = 62ms, min = 60ms, max = 69ms -- Sep 13, 2007 8:28:18 PM
Further research shows it's probably hosted here.
Shucks I'm embarrassed, basic networking 111 stuff right there...

Alas, sticking with the cheapest domain service, and a free DNS service, obviously cutting a few corners, I'm not thinking this hosting plan is exactly costing them anymore than they're making via advertisement. (it would be extremely dumb to say the least)


http://www.softlayer.com/services.html
But even then these are really nice prices (they almost already got me almost sold on where to go next if I run out of room where I'm at now), they charge more for bandwidth, but once you go unmetered it's totally worth it.



Basically:
This website makes money off of me being here, that is my payment, is allowing the advertising on my internet experience (I can choose to block them if I wanted to), don't say users don't do anything for the site unless it is free of advertisement being as we put cash in the owners pockets (which I have problem doing obviously, being as I'm glad to do it, they gave us a good site, I'll help them make money by viewing and occasionally clicking ads).

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FYI, I use GoDaddy to REGISTER my domains, ZoneEdit for my DNS, and The Planet to host my servers, although I'm thinking of moving one to a KC local data center that will give me physical access to my box.

Regardless, to the un-trained eye, it could easily appear that I'm using GoDaddy or ZoneEdit to "host" everything, but a site like this would probably crumble under its own weight (far worse than it already is) on a GoDaddy shared hosting plan.
I was expecting more of a dedicated with the amount of traffic this site gets, theres no way a shared server could handle the processes, you'd get kicked off a shared server so quickly.

As for me I try to keep everything centralized, while I like the idea of taking the best of each service, I don't like the idea of having a bunch of services jumping around, it may save me a few bucks a month, but in the end I'm wasting more time in organization...

Thats probably just from a bad experience with network solutions, freaking stiffed the hell out of me, and tried to lock my domain from transfer till it expired so I couldn't transfer it...

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