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Old 10-03-07, 09:57 AM   #1
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Where do people get this ****?

I have a few friends who I love to death, but they just come up with the most illogical crazy things I've ever heard. I don't want to come off as an ass, a pedant, or a know-it-all, but I have to correct that ****. For example, there are several who believe the dairy industry is a giant conspiracy and that it is impossible to absorb calcium from milk. All I said was find me just one peer reviewed journal that supports these claims.

The craziest one I've heard is that when all the sunspots disappear that giant solar flares will burn up the earth. Okay, I've been an amateur radio operator for a while now, and I know a thing or two about sunspots. The sunspot cycle is an 11-year cycle of which we are just coming out of the lowest point. At times THIS YEAR there were zero sunspots.

I really have to know, are my friends taking crazy pills? Where does this crazy information come from? Have you heard any of these before?
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The Jsharr Institute of Crazy Ideas, founded in 807 AD, has been bringing you the best in fallacious ideas for going on two millenia now.

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I've never heard either of those, specifically.

Do your friends, by any chance, habitually gnaw on Chinese-made toys?
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no on the chinese lead paint toys. A lot of them seem to be a little of what is known as the "moonbat liberal" though.
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Why is milk fortified with vitamin D?

Your friends are not so stupid as you might think.
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Vitamin D != calcium

I should be more specific. The argument wasn't that calcium from milk can't be absorbed, it was that calcium from pasteurized store milk can't be absorbed. It can only be absorbed from raw milk, oh and not skim milk either. [which is milk with the layer of fat skimmed off the top]
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The calcium thing is a bit exaggerated, but not far from the truth. Calcium is present in milk but not as easily absorbed as it is from other sources. For example, spinach has more calcium and is absorbed better in the body than from milk

Milk contains calcium, but there are much higher and more efficient sources to get it from.
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Vitamin D != calcium

I should be more specific. The argument wasn't that calcium from milk can't be absorbed, it was that calcium from pasteurized store milk can't be absorbed. It can only be absorbed from raw milk, oh and not skim milk either. [which is milk with the layer of fat skimmed off the top]
The pasteurized store milk part is wacked.

Vitamin D is fat soluable -- the body needs fat in milk to use the vitamin D; and the body needs vitamin D to absorbe calcium. Of course, the body produces its own vitamin D if it gets enough sunlight.
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The calcium thing is a bit exaggerated, but not far from the truth. Calcium is present in milk but not as easily absorbed as it is from other sources. For example, spinach has more calcium and is absorbed better in the body than from milk

Milk contains calcium, but there are much higher and more efficient sources to get it from.
This is true. I'm looking through a database of peer reviewed journals for studies on the bioavailability of calcium in dairy milk. I find studies on calcium in cheese, calcium in fortified soy milk, calcium in fortified OJ, but nothing that isn't touting the how milk has a great bioavailability of calcium.

Now, how bout them solar flares?
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People do come up with some weird stuff. Our IT guy here at work is convinced the building gets hit by lightning multiple times per year. Mathematically the odds are about once per 100 years.

And the milk thing reminds me. My wife absolutely will not consume anything one day past the date printed on the container. Like it could be fine one day but horribly spoiled the next.
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Light can destroy vitamins, always reach back and get the freshest milk. Bicyclists don't need to worry too much about Vitamin D.

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Light can destroy vitamins, always reach back and get the freshest milk. Bicyclists don't need to worry too much about Vitamin D.

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You're right. The whole "moon landing" thing was staged. On the grassy knoll.
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Cows cause the solar flares to remove attention from the whole calcium debacle. They also use BSE, bovine static electricity to attack computer networks, esp. ones with the information that could blow the lid off the calcium kettle. Cows also came up with freshness dating. Milk never goes bad, it just gets harder to get the calcium out of old milk. Oh and moonbats, moonbats are one of the immature larval stages of cows. We brought the moonbats back from the moon. They morphed into cows after feeding on the grassy knoll.
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Cows cause the solar flares to remove attention from the whole calcium debacle. They also use BSE, bovine static electricity to attack computer networks, esp. ones with the information that could blow the lid off the calcium kettle. Cows also came up with freshness dating. Milk never goes bad, it just gets harder to get the calcium out of old milk. Oh and moonbats, moonbats are one of the immature larval stages of cows. We brought the moonbats back from the moon. They morphed into cows after feeding on the grassy knoll.
Hello! We never went to the moon. Pay attention please.
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I told my friend that the reason we were having so many out-of-season severe weather storms was because of the growing number of kids using the Internet during the end of summer vacation; the extra electrical load in power lines was causing new magnetic fields.

And she still believes me. I even found a very convoluted article that had nothing to do with what I was talking about and since she couldn't comprehend the article, she took my word for it.
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I have a few friends who I love to death, but they just come up with the most illogical crazy things I've ever heard. I don't want to come off as an ass, a pedant, or a know-it-all, but I have to correct that ****. For example, there are several who believe the dairy industry is a giant conspiracy and that it is impossible to absorb calcium from milk. All I said was find me just one peer reviewed journal that supports these claims.

The craziest one I've heard is that when all the sunspots disappear that giant solar flares will burn up the earth. Okay, I've been an amateur radio operator for a while now, and I know a thing or two about sunspots. The sunspot cycle is an 11-year cycle of which we are just coming out of the lowest point. At times THIS YEAR there were zero sunspots.

I really have to know, are my friends taking crazy pills? Where does this crazy information come from? Have you heard any of these before?

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I told my friend that the reason we were having so many out-of-season severe weather storms was because of the growing number of kids using the Internet during the end of summer vacation; the extra electrical load in power lines was causing new magnetic fields.

And she still believes me. I even found a very convoluted article that had nothing to do with what I was talking about and since she couldn't comprehend the article, she took my word for it.
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Right. We're on the moon. It's Earth we've never been to.
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Vitamin D != calcium

I should be more specific. The argument wasn't that calcium from milk can't be absorbed, it was that calcium from pasteurized store milk can't be absorbed. It can only be absorbed from raw milk, oh and not skim milk either. [which is milk with the layer of fat skimmed off the top]
This kicks them into a different class entirely!

I work for a company that does medical reporting. A part of that is for public health agencys. That means some folks here talk a lot to public health officers. RAW milk is resopnsible for quite a few outbreaks. In short it has very real dangers. But these moonbats ignore real dangers and concentrate on imaginary ones.
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This kicks them into a different class entirely!

I work for a company that does medical reporting. A part of that is for public health agencys. That means some folks here talk a lot to public health officers. RAW milk is resopnsible for quite a few outbreaks. In short it has very real dangers. But these moonbats ignore real dangers and concentrate on imaginary ones.
outbreaks of what?
and what's wrong with sharing a little botulinum toxin amongst freinds anyway?
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outbreaks of what?
Salmonella, E. coli H-0157 and Listeria are the three most common harmful bacteria in raw milk and raw milk products.
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I really have to know, are my friends taking crazy pills? Where does this crazy information come from? Have you heard any of these before?
Read this forum. People do not learn critical thinking, critical thinking is bad for commerce, it is bad for business, and bad for politics.
The internet is a big version of "postman" and disseminates far more misinformation than real information.
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