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    Last edited by KingTermite; 10-04-07 at 01:18 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by coffeecake View Post
    - it's pretty well established that Hitler was an *******.

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    What, about a 1/4 stick or so?

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    sounds intriguing. i'd love to hear more, but there's no website listed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by veganboyjosh View Post
    sounds intriguing. i'd love to hear more, but there's no website listed.
    - interestingly, the 'net was being developed w/in a half hour's drive away from the address in the ad during the time that the ad was run...

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    The funniest part to me is that the ad is from the company I work for.
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    - it's pretty well established that Hitler was an *******.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingTermite View Post
    The funniest part to me is that the ad is from the company I work for.
    So your advertising?

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    Ah, a time when email was looked forward to and hoped for, not despised for the worthless, gummed-up-beyond-all-hope system that it's become. The future is always brighter than the present it becomes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ModoVincere View Post
    So your advertising?
    Yes, all the spammers bought the system.
    Quote Originally Posted by coffeecake View Post
    - it's pretty well established that Hitler was an *******.

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    Quote Originally Posted by veganboyjosh View Post
    sounds intriguing. i'd love to hear more, but there's no website listed.
    html was only a gleam in it's daddy's eye.

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    It is interesting to notice that advertising actually served a useful purpose at one point. Look at all of the information in that ad, and even a person to contact to get more information. What a concept.

    That same ad today would consist of nothing but a scantily clad supermodel driving a convertible down some deserted highway, the company logo at the bottom, and maybe some multi-million-dollar slogan (which has nothing to do with the picture, of course).

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    Quote Originally Posted by x136 View Post
    It is interesting to notice that advertising actually served a useful purpose at one point. Look at all of the information in that ad, and even a person to contact to get more information. What a concept.

    That same ad today would consist of nothing but a scantily clad supermodel driving a convertible down some deserted highway, the company logo at the bottom, and maybe some multi-million-dollar slogan (which has nothing to do with the picture, of course).
    So? What's yer point?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ModoVincere View Post
    So? What's yer point?
    So? What's yer point?

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    Ads have been dumbed down so hard because most products these days don't really offer much more than their predecessors did other than in terms of scale. There are a few exceptions, but I have seen a massive lack of innovation as of late.

    Not to mention most of the stuff advertised today aren't needs....they are wants, so they market them through "lifestyle" ads instead of throwing some meat and potatoes to you on that page.
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    At the time, E-mail was revolutionary. Only the most savvy people would be able to fake SMTP transactions, and that's assuming the network was TCP/IP (or its ancestor NCP.)

    Sometimes, I wonder about reinventing the wheel, making a SMTP2 protocol... but then who would be the central authority with the "keys to the kingdom" if every mail server went to a PKI infrastructure, and no proper certificate == no mail delivery, as opposed to the chaotic, but semi-working E-mail system of today?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mlts22 View Post
    Sometimes, I wonder about reinventing the wheel, making a SMTP2 protocol... but then who would be the central authority with the "keys to the kingdom" if every mail server went to a PKI infrastructure, and no proper certificate == no mail delivery, as opposed to the chaotic, but semi-working E-mail system of today?

    A dream for security admin
    a nightmare for "normal" admins
    A dream for anyone who can define a standardized cert that can actually be legitamized (ching ching)
    A nightmare for the people that would have to pay the outrageous prices to certify every email addy (cause you know they won't cert a domain, they would do it on a mailbox basis just to get more coinage on a per license bases)

    I think it looks good on paper, right up there with ssl (with all the foreign certs out there its almost useless) but to apply it will be very difficult.

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    Oh man i love those old advertisements and articles in old OMNI and other such magazines. I really need to scan afew i have at work (got them when one lady at work retired and was cleaning out her desk) and post them up somewhere. It's classic stuff!

    The best ones are the computer ads that show pricing.

    $4k for a 386? WTF?!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by x136 View Post
    It is interesting to notice that advertising actually served a useful purpose at one point. Look at all of the information in that ad, and even a person to contact to get more information. What a concept.

    That same ad today would consist of nothing but a scantily clad supermodel driving a convertible down some deserted highway, the company logo at the bottom, and maybe some multi-million-dollar slogan (which has nothing to do with the picture, of course).
    And the scantily clad super model would greatly make up for the boring and in-depth information and the old man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maelstrom View Post
    A dream for security admin
    a nightmare for "normal" admins
    A dream for anyone who can define a standardized cert that can actually be legitamized (ching ching)
    A nightmare for the people that would have to pay the outrageous prices to certify every email addy (cause you know they won't cert a domain, they would do it on a mailbox basis just to get more coinage on a per license bases)

    I think it looks good on paper, right up there with ssl (with all the foreign certs out there its almost useless) but to apply it will be very difficult.
    All the foreign certs seem to be diluting SSL's security. I'm just waiting for someone to obtain some CA's private key in Elbonia, make a bogus certificate saying they are from a major bank, then do either a DNS hack or something similar so that people going to the bank's website will get the lock icon and the green address bar in IE... and still get their accounts emptied.

    You are 100% right in what you state, though if the root CA was part of ICANN and it delegated signing using certificate chains as part of domain registrar functionality as opposed to dedicated CA companies such as Verisign [1], (where the cert for a domain's mail exchanging is part of the cost of the yearly renewal), it would be a cool thing... but of course it can be abused, and would be hell for an admin.

    [1]: I consider the cost of certs from certificate places like Verisign or Comodo [2] part of doing business. The main reason I use CAs for pretty much anything is the CYA factor. Should some security breach arise that is remotely related, I can always say I did due diligence because I used S/MIME (and PGP) for E-mail, all the website's contents are accessible via SSL, etc.

    [2]: If you need certificate items, you might try Comodo. Their certificates register the same as Verisigns (same lock icon, same green bar in IE), but in some cases significantly cheaper. The fact they offer one of the best software firewalls out there for Windows at no charge is also a consideration.

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    HAHAHAHA!

    Did you notice the ashtray on his desk?

    How old was that ad?
    Fewer Cars, more handlebars!

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    I thought you were talking about this (slightly nsfw).

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