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    Ebay safety?

    I'm checking out this bike on ebay, and it seems too good to be true. I'm not really experienced with ebay - I used to use it to sell off stuff I had, but haven't used it in years.

    Are there any safety mechanisms to protect the buyer from being hosed? I'm not afraid of using online shopping sites - I use Amazon regularly, but ebay has always seemed a touch shady in my eye.

    The deal I'm looking at is what the seller claims to be a brand new Specialized S-Work Epic for only 200$ + 25$ shipping.

    250$ for this bike, especially brand new, seems way too good to be true. I know the worst thing that could happen is that he takes my money and I get no product, or I get some product different than what was described, and he still gets my money.

    Is there any protection against this? I'm a noob at ebay - advice would be appreciated!

    This is the deal:

    http://cgi.ebay.ca/Specialized-S-Wor...QQcmdZViewItem

    Thanks!

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    Well, he's got good feedback. Watch the auction and try to snipe in a last second bid. Don't start bidding early or all you'll do is drive up the price.

    Ebay is pretty good about handling disputes. Pay by Visa and you have that extra bit of fraud insurance too. EBay uses verisign secure servers.

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    Well, you have to remember that these are auctions. You'll see some 1000 dollar bike going for a few pennies...when there's 5 days left of the auction. You won't see what see anything remotely close to what the end price is until just a few minutes before auction end.
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    And just to be sure, I hit ebay through another browser window and signed in, searched for the item number, and got the item, so your link is secure as well.
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    So if I paid by personal cheque, and he cashed it in, and I never received a product, would ebay be able to refund me through my credit card? Or... am I just supposed to duke it out with the seller?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zan View Post
    So if I paid by personal cheque, and he cashed it in, and I never received a product, would ebay be able to refund me through my credit card? Or... am I just supposed to duke it out with the seller?
    You might or might not make a recovery there. If not, Ebay would at least sanction him. Paypal is relatively secure, though and you have some chance of recovery there, and Visa/Mastercard gives you the best recovery method. I keep a low limit Visa just for ebay purchases
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    Thanks for the input.

    Since I'm not an experienced ebay user, I'm just curious to know how often you (the buyer) gets messed around with by the seller? When I say that, I am referring to intentional or unintentional things that happen that are not in the best interest of the buyer. Has it happened to you?

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    Yea, use a credit card and paypal. People knock paypal, but they've been great with me when I file a claim. But if they don't help, you have your CC company to back you. I avoid personal checks online at all costs.
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    I smell rat. 3 day listing, No Paypal. Feedback form a few buys, not sells. Seller selling many high end bikes with no reserve.

    Why can,t I find the same listings on Ebay USA?

    RAT!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zan View Post
    Thanks for the input.

    Since I'm not an experienced ebay user, I'm just curious to know how often you (the buyer) gets messed around with by the seller? When I say that, I am referring to intentional or unintentional things that happen that are not in the best interest of the buyer. Has it happened to you?
    I probably have 180 transactions or so on eBay since I started in 2001. I've been screwed once, and at was a target for a screwing one other time. The first time I was screwed was actually my very first transaction. The 2nd was just a few months ago, but I won that battle. I don't think that it is all that common for the buyer to get maliciously screwed. Just use your judgment.
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    I'd be careful if I were you.. I don't like when any ebay seller ASKS you to email them privately on a private email address rather than just through the "Ask Seller Question" link.. They're phishing for your info and will hijack your account to post their scams. If you check the feedback, most of the time everything they have bought or sold has NOTHING to do with cycling. Would make sense for someone with an expensive bike to at least have related gear doesn't it? Besides, why the hell would a guy in Carolina post a bike in Ebay Canada?

    Check out this link...
    http://reviews.ebay.com/SCAM-LIST-E-...AT:-1:SEARCH:2
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    Quote Originally Posted by NeCrO632 View Post
    I'd be careful if I were you.. I don't like when any ebay seller ASKS you to email them privately on a private email address rather than just through the "Ask Seller Question" link.. They're phishing for your info and will hijack your account to post their scams. If you check the feedback, most of the time everything they have bought or sold has NOTHING to do with cycling. Would make sense for someone with an expensive bike to at least have related gear doesn't it? Besides, why the hell would a guy in Carolina post a bike in Ebay Canada?

    Check out this link...
    http://reviews.ebay.com/SCAM-LIST-E-...AT:-1:SEARCH:2
    Yeah, I checked that out too, and that's the reason why I started to get suspicious. I guess I'll stay away from it. I noticed that the guy's rep is only for buying things, not selling (which is a different animal anyways).

    Thanks again.

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    It has all the telltale signs of an ebay account that has been taken over by a hacker.. No paypal option, buyers asks to be contacted outside of ebay.. One way to sniff out the rat is to email him and say that you live in his area or have a relative that lives there and you would be willing to buy if you can pick up the bike in person..

    Once you get the reply to say this is not possible, then you are dealing with a fake auction..
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    That looks bad to me. Located in North Carolina, ships to "Canada"??? He also seems to be offering a "buy it now" price via email off of the eBay system in his little "email me" box.

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    - live it, learn it, and love it:

    - eBay is a scammer's paradise

    - use eBay for entertainment purposes only

    - eBay sellers are not there to give you a 'good deal'

    - there are no buyer protections on eBay - if a deal goes sour, you will lose money

    - PayPal sucks, don't use it - PayPal is a useless middleman

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    It speaks volumes about your personality that you feel everyone is out to hose people.
    You're not really THAT type of person, are you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by linux_author View Post
    - live it, learn it, and love it:

    - eBay is a scammer's paradise

    - use eBay for entertainment purposes only

    - eBay sellers are not there to give you a 'good deal'

    - there are no buyer protections on eBay - if a deal goes sour, you will lose money

    - PayPal sucks, don't use it - PayPal is a useless middleman
    A bit jaded, maybe?

    I sell on ebay and have never scammed anyone.

    I find ebay can be a good barometer of an item's value. It's not perfect, but there are no used bike price guides.

    I usually start all my auctions at $.99, I don't want to throw away the item I can't sell locally, you could get a great deal. I also flip great deals I got off of ebay.

    If your deal goes bad and you used a credit card on PayPal, call the credit card company, they will but a hold on the payment and investigate the charge in a heartbeat.

    95% of the stuff I buy is from UK, French or Italian ebay. I could not buy this stuff any other way and never had a problem. I disputed a non-delivery once and got a full refund.

    As to the OP, looks like a hijacked account and it is a scam. I wouldn't bid on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by linux_author View Post
    - live it, learn it, and love it:

    - eBay is a scammer's paradise

    - use eBay for entertainment purposes only

    - eBay sellers are not there to give you a 'good deal'

    - there are no buyer protections on eBay - if a deal goes sour, you will lose money

    - PayPal sucks, don't use it - PayPal is a useless middleman
    I've used eBay for years and only had a problem once when bidding for some Oakleys...the seller sent me something that was an obvious knock-off (as well as a different style all togther).. I petitioned to paypal and after a week, they refunded all my money. Although this was only a couple of hundred bucks...I'm not sure how much Paypal offers in protection for those higher ticket items..
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    Just bought a $180 Saris roof rack + 2 bike rails + 2 bike clamps + clips for my car + wind guard. Costs way more than that brand new, great condition, few rusty bolts that I can easily replace, and one of the bike clamps works, but could use replacing. Still an awesome deal.


    Guy had 0 feedback too.

    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...02562Large.jpg

    Also bought a CAI that I should get in a few days.
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