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Old 10-17-07, 07:38 PM   #1
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"staph" day tomorrow?

So tomorrow my school should have a "staph" day, one student has a staph infection that cannot be cured in the normal way(antibiotics), and one other student might. Staph infections are highly contagious, but nooooooo, the school won't close tomorrow. I don't even want the day off, i just don't want an incurable staph infection.
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its not really a bummmer, its disgusting
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There's absolutely no reason to close a school over that. Sorry... Just wash your hands.

But yes, community-acquired MRSA infections are on the rise. Parents, for all those times you talked the pediatrician into giving you antibiotics that your kid didn't really need, here's your payback.
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^^^^ cant agree more.
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It's sweeping the nation. Schools are closing, antibacterials are disappearing off the shelves, and people are making money. Oh, yeah and i think one person died. Aren't there routinely thousands of staph infection deaths every year?

Why all of the panic now?
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MRSA is not just any staph. It's a nasty superbug. Superbugs are strains that are resistant to the drugs of last resort. That's why the panic. We don't have next generation drugs of last resort yet. (It's something many people are working on. My last research project touched a bit on it.)
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^^That's actually not entirely true.

Community-acquired MRSA strains (and even some of the hospital-acquired ones) are susceptible to plain old Septra or Clindamycin, or Vancomycin for the particularly nasty infections. And there's always Linezolid.

It is true, though, that along with some of the antibiotic resistance comes increased virulence--some strains are more invasive/aggressive and more likely to seed the blood, etc. That's when the real problems begin...

Problem is that the susceptibility patterns are bound to change, and there have been isolated reports of strains of VRSA (Vancomycin-resistant staph aureus) being isolated here and there.

MRSA's weak sauce in the superbug department, though. There are still antibiotics that work for that...
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I think it's a certain strain of some pathogen.
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Staphylococcus. It's a genus of bacteria that are basically found everywhere--on the skin, in the soil, in our mouths, etc. There are a lot of different species, but S. aureus is one that is most commonly associated with infections.
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Whats staph?
You mean "What's staph?"
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What happens to me if I get it?
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What happens to me if I get it?
Very malicious things will occur.
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What happens to me if I get it?
You have staph on your skin right now. We all do.

"Getting it" can take many forms. A small wound/break in the skin/etc. can sometimes get infected, leading to cellulitis/abscesses (read: giant zit)/etc. That's the most common. For those with other medical problems, recent surgeries, etc., the risk goes up for true badness, like pneumonias, line infections, surgical site infections, sepsis, urinary tract infections, necrotizing fasciitis, you name it.
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its still kinda gross
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You have staph on your skin right now. We all do.

"Getting it" can take many forms. A small wound/break in the skin/etc. can sometimes get infected, leading to cellulitis/abscesses (read: giant zit)/etc. That's the most common. For those with other medical problems, recent surgeries, etc., the risk goes up for true badness, like pneumonias, line infections, surgical site infections, sepsis, urinary tract infections, necrotizing fasciitis, you name it.
So is the presumption that MRSA is gay or is it that it is a football fan? Because the claim always seems to be that it resides in football locker rooms. They are cleaning lots of locker rooms here in Kansas while we type.
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So is the presumption that MRSA is gay or is it that it is a football fan? Because the claim always seems to be that it resides in football locker rooms. They are cleaning lots of locker rooms here in Kansas while we type.
Bacteria like to grow in warm, moist places for the most part--MRSA is no exception. If girls were as nasty as guys I bet you'd see a lot of volleyball locker rooms getting disinfected too.
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Bacteria like to grow in warm, moist places for the most part--MRSA is no exception. If girls were as nasty as guys I bet you'd see a lot of volleyball locker rooms getting disinfected too.

Seriously then, if the notion is that cleanliness will lessen the chance of contracting MRSA, isn't all of the disinfection warranted?
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Seriously then, if the notion is that cleanliness will lessen the chance of contracting MRSA, isn't all of the disinfection warranted?
To a point. The problem is that bacteria will always be present on surfaces, and the use of antibacterial products is, for the most part, excessive.

Suppose that locker room gets disinfected with triclosan, one of the most popular anti-bacterial ingredients in soaps, etc.. After doing that, you'll wipe out 99.9% of bacteria just like the Lysol commercial says, but guess what? Those 0.1% that are left survived the triclosan dose, possibly due to resistance. So the only bugs left to grow and multiply are the ones resistant to triclosan!

It's just plain natural selection. The difference is that the generation time for bacteria is 20 minutes, much unlike the 20 YEAR average for humans--so the bacteria can evolve much faster than we can come up with new things to kill them.

I'm almost certainly colonized with MRSA, meaning it's either on my skin or in my nasal passages. How is it that my patients don't all get MRSA? Handwashing, proper aseptic technique, gloves/gowns when needed, etc. It doesn't matter if there's MRSA on the walls or on my sink, as long as I don't transfer it in a clinically significant way to a patient.

It's all about saving the disinfecting/bacteria-killing for a time/place/situation that really matters, rather than indiscriminantly exposing bacteria to various agents to accelerate the development of resistance.
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mtnbk3000, are you going to trust a doctor like Dr. Pete and a researcher like jschen, or are you going to trust ol' Krink who says:

FOR GOD'S SAKE SKIP SCHOOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Think about it rationally: how many of your fellow students, not to mention nose-picking teachers, practice "Handwashing, proper aseptic technique, gloves/gowns when needed, etc." When was the last time your stinky buddies showed up in full surgical scrub????? Or sprayed their staph-laden armpits with Lysol???

SAVE YOURSELF!!!!! STAY HOME!!!!!!

Or at least go to the mall.
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To a point. The problem is that bacteria will always be present on surfaces, and the use of antibacterial products is, for the most part, excessive.

Suppose that locker room gets disinfected with triclosan, one of the most popular anti-bacterial ingredients in soaps, etc.. After doing that, you'll wipe out 99.9% of bacteria just like the Lysol commercial says, but guess what? Those 0.1% that are left survived the triclosan dose, possibly due to resistance. So the only bugs left to grow and multiply are the ones resistant to triclosan!

It's just plain natural selection. The difference is that the generation time for bacteria is 20 minutes, much unlike the 20 YEAR average for humans--so the bacteria can evolve much faster than we can come up with new things to kill them.

I'm almost certainly colonized with MRSA, meaning it's either on my skin or in my nasal passages. How is it that my patients don't all get MRSA? Handwashing, proper aseptic technique, gloves/gowns when needed, etc. It doesn't matter if there's MRSA on the walls or on my sink, as long as I don't transfer it in a clinically significant way to a patient.

It's all about saving the disinfecting/bacteria-killing for a time/place/situation that really matters, rather than indiscriminantly exposing bacteria to various agents to accelerate the development of resistance.
Very interesting. So would you suggest NOT disinfecting? (not be sarcastic-serious question)
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