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Old 10-17-07, 08:32 PM   #1
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New network adaptor dropping off network...

I got a new Netgear router awhile back and also a netgear USB wireless adapter to plug into this old laptop. Said equipment replaced my old 802.111B stuff that I had before. REgardless, the thing loves to drop off the network. I can't figure out why.

It usually happens when the computer is restarted or when it hibernates but occasionally it just happens. The only thing that seems to work is unplugging the adaptor and plugging it back in. Eventually after that it finds the router again. Any ideas why this happens?
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Old 10-17-07, 09:05 PM   #2
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This device is not self-powered is it? I would think a laptop would want to turn off power to USB at every opportunity.
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Old 10-17-07, 09:12 PM   #3
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Make sure the drivers are up to date. Perhaps the router is designed for new wireless standards, and the NIC may need updated drivers.
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Anything in the machine's event log?
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First: check for interference....most wireless cards have a site monitor utility to measure signal to noise ratios...this is VERY helpful.

Next, since it's USB, get a self-powered (read: has an AC adaptor) USB hub...feed it dedicated power, always.

After that, start looking at the hardware itself.
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Netgear sux!
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Best guess would be outside interference...perhaps a competing network close by.
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It's a Netgear USB adapter. So, it gets it's power from the laptop. Weird thing is that I have the same adapter on my kid's computer and it NEVER loses contact with the router. I think it must be some sort of power issue, where the laptop possibly IS trying to save power etc.

I will check for driver updates etc. Hopefully someday I can get a REAL laptop instead of that old antique.
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Old 10-18-07, 08:20 AM   #9
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+++1. I got a Netgear and could never get that thing working. Took it back and got a LinkSys. Not one problem since then.
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LinkSys pwns!
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Mighta got conned but the Netgear is supposed to have twice the range of the Linksys that i was looking at. Also it is supposed to be capable of 108 Mbps which the comparable Linksys wasn't.
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just get a powered hub, or find a way to use a few batteries to power the hub...and run that thing from the hub.

edit: or use a PCMCIA wireless adaptor...those tend to work better anyways. You can get a Cisco Aironet card (the creme de la creme of wireless cards) for around $40-70 shipped from ebay.
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Old 10-18-07, 09:55 AM   #13
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I've got a 802.11b PCMCIA wireless adaptor that i can use if i need to.
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Problem = Netgear. I had the same problem with my Netgear router. It's now stuck somewhere in a closet till I get a chance to find some other fitting end for it, such as shooting it with a 12 gauge buckshot.
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Old 10-18-07, 10:59 AM   #15
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Mighta got conned but the Netgear is supposed to have twice the range of the Linksys that i was looking at. Also it is supposed to be capable of 108 Mbps which the comparable Linksys wasn't.
Twice the range? If the ship don't work it has ZERO range.
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I've got a 802.11b PCMCIA wireless adaptor that i can use if i need to.
Yes by all means do that! USB and networking do not mix. I've never seen a reliable USB wireless (or wired) network adapter.
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2.4GHz cordless phones do not play nice with WiFi. Got any of those around? My wife and I had to experiment with different positions for the router and phone base unit (same room) before it seemed to clear up. Every time one of us used the phone... No more WiFi.
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I zapped all of the 2.4 Ghz stuff long ago. Again, this router works fine. My other desktop is connected USB and has never missed a beat. It has something to do with the laptop. It's like it drops off the network and then it doesn't get assigned another address unless i unplug the USB adapter and plug it back in.
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I got a new Netgear router awhile back and also a netgear USB wireless adapter to plug into this old laptop. Said equipment replaced my old 802.111B stuff that I had before. REgardless, the thing loves to drop off the network. I can't figure out why.

It usually happens when the computer is restarted or when it hibernates but occasionally it just happens. The only thing that seems to work is unplugging the adaptor and plugging it back in. Eventually after that it finds the router again. Any ideas why this happens?
Try a selective startup and see if the problem continues.

Here is a useful link
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Old 10-18-07, 05:42 PM   #20
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It's a Netgear USB adapter. So, it gets it's power from the laptop. Weird thing is that I have the same adapter on my kid's computer and it NEVER loses contact with the router. I think it must be some sort of power issue, where the laptop possibly IS trying to save power etc.

I will check for driver updates etc. Hopefully someday I can get a REAL laptop instead of that old antique.
Try this to turn off the power saving options:

1. Right-click "My Computer" on the desktop or start menu and click "Properties".

2. Click the Hardware tab and click the Device Manager button.

3. Scroll down the device list to the Universal Serial Bus Controllers and click the plus sign next to it. Then you'll see USB Root Hubs.

4. Right-click on the first USB Root Hub and click "Properties", then click the Power Management tab.

5. Look at the check boxes to see if the "Allow the computer to turn off this device to save power" option is checked. If it is, uncheck the box and click OK.

6. Repeat steps 4 & 5 for each USB Root Hub in the list, then close the Device Manager.

If it's a power saving issue, this should fix it. This can happen with USB devices quite a bit.
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Old 10-18-07, 06:06 PM   #21
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operating on the same channel and overlapping signals.
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Old 10-18-07, 06:38 PM   #22
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I had a 2 USB network adapter for a while for a spare laptop and one of my son's PC, but the stupid things would keep dropping left and right. I finally got tired of it and got a Card Bus and a PCI card for the desktop, both were wireless. I no longer have the issue. Any time you move or shake the usb, it can cause you to lose your signal.
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