Cycling and bicycle discussion forums. 
   Click here to join our community Log in to access your Control Panel  


Go Back   > >

Foo Off-Topic chit chat with no general subject.

User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 11-07-07, 07:34 PM   #1
randya
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
randya's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: in bed with your mom
Bikes: who cares?
Posts: 13,689
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Cell Phone Jammers

They are illegal in the US, but a growing market exists.

Quote:
Originally Posted by NYT
As cellphone use has skyrocketed, making it hard to avoid hearing half a conversation in many public places, a small but growing band of rebels is turning to a blunt countermeasure: the cellphone jammer, a gadget that renders nearby mobile devices impotent.

The technology is not new, but overseas exporters of jammers say demand is rising and they are sending hundreds of them a month into the United States — prompting scrutiny from federal regulators and new concern last week from the cellphone industry. The buyers include owners of cafes and hair salons, hoteliers, public speakers, theater operators, bus drivers and, increasingly, commuters on public transportation.

The development is creating a battle for control of the airspace within earshot. And the damage is collateral. Insensitive talkers impose their racket on the defenseless, while jammers punish not just the offender, but also more discreet chatterers.

“If anything characterizes the 21st century, it’s our inability to restrain ourselves for the benefit of other people,” said James Katz, director of the Center for Mobile Communication Studies at Rutgers University. “The cellphone talker thinks his rights go above that of people around him, and the jammer thinks his are the more important rights.”

The jamming technology works by sending out a radio signal so powerful that phones are overwhelmed and cannot communicate with cell towers. The range varies from several feet to several yards, and the devices cost from $50 to several hundred dollars. Larger models can be left on to create a no-call zone.

Using the jammers is illegal in the United States. The radio frequencies used by cellphone carriers are protected, just like those used by television and radio broadcasters.

The Federal Communication Commission says people who use cellphone jammers could be fined up to $11,000 for a first offense. Its enforcement bureau has prosecuted a handful of American companies for distributing the gadgets — and it also pursues their users.
http://nytimes.com/2007/11/04/techno...excamp=mkt_at1
randya is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-07-07, 07:40 PM   #2
skinnyone
Dude wheres my guads?
 
skinnyone's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Guess
Bikes: Not enough
Posts: 2,680
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I am tempted to put one in my car that jams every cell phone yakking jack ass that I pass on the road.
skinnyone is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-07-07, 08:16 PM   #3
v1k1ng1001
Gorntastic!
 
v1k1ng1001's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: United States of Mexico
Bikes:
Posts: 3,424
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by skinnyone View Post
I am tempted to put one in my car that jams every cell phone yakking jack ass that I pass on the road.
Better yet, auto makers should be required to build them into new cars.
__________________
v1k1ng1001 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-07-07, 08:43 PM   #4
skinnyone
Dude wheres my guads?
 
skinnyone's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Guess
Bikes: Not enough
Posts: 2,680
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by v1k1ng1001 View Post
Better yet, auto makers should be required to build them into new cars.
Yeah but its kinda tough though.. emergencies, passengers are scenarios that are not easily solved. And my proposed plan doesnt solve it either.
skinnyone is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-07-07, 09:01 PM   #5
phantomcow2
la vache fantôme
 
phantomcow2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: NH
Bikes:
Posts: 6,266
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
If you're crafty enough, you should be able to solder one together.
I soldered a radio jammer a few years ago. It was only good for around 100mhz because I used that frequency crystal oscillator, but that's all I needed it for
__________________
C://dos
C://dos.run
run.dos.run
phantomcow2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-07-07, 09:04 PM   #6
Michigander
Senior Member
 
Michigander's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Bikes: Giant ATX 1200, Schwinn Peleton
Posts: 1,724
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 54 Post(s)
^^

I just love good improvisation.
__________________
Bring back the Sig Test!


(\__/)
(='.'=)
(")_(")
Michigander is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-07-07, 09:05 PM   #7
skinnyone
Dude wheres my guads?
 
skinnyone's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Guess
Bikes: Not enough
Posts: 2,680
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Michigander, do you post on Epicski? I got a reply for a post out there from the exact same handle!
skinnyone is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-07-07, 09:10 PM   #8
Michigander
Senior Member
 
Michigander's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Bikes: Giant ATX 1200, Schwinn Peleton
Posts: 1,724
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 54 Post(s)
Huh? What's epicski? What do you mean handle?
__________________
Bring back the Sig Test!


(\__/)
(='.'=)
(")_(")
Michigander is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-07-07, 10:53 PM   #9
bmclaughlin807
Crankenstein
 
bmclaughlin807's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Spokane
Bikes: Novara Randonee (TankerBelle)
Posts: 4,038
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by skinnyone View Post
I am tempted to put one in my car that jams every cell phone yakking jack ass that I pass on the road.
The bad half of that plan:

Oncoming car with driver talking on the cell phone approaches close enough to be within range of your jammer and loses his call.... where do you suppose that person's attention is now at?


Answer: It's NOT on driving, or oncoming traffic, etc. Said driver is now staring at his phone and fiddling with it, trying to figure out why he lost his call... while crossing the centerline and slamming headfirst into you and killing both of you.

yup. Sounds like a great plan to me.
__________________
"There is no greater wonder than the way the face and character of a woman fit so perfectly in a man's mind, and stay there, and he could never tell you why. It just seems it was the thing he most wanted." Robert Louis Stevenson
bmclaughlin807 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-07-07, 11:14 PM   #10
timmyquest
Banned.
 
timmyquest's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Woodstock
Bikes:
Posts: 5,761
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Sorry, that is awesome.

Perhaps a good time for a funny story. I'm at my barber, who is an old WWII Navy guy running an old run down barber shop, and through his front window we watch a women spend 10 mins trying to park her truck while on the cellphone.

He tells me how much he hates those things etc. I agree with him and tell him why i think they are a pain in the ass and what have you. Next thing i know my cell phone rings full blast. I go to push the button that would not accept the call but instead pushed the speaker button and the person on the other line starts talking.

Hypocrite anyone?
timmyquest is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-07-07, 11:44 PM   #11
eofelis 
The Rock Cycle
 
eofelis's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Western Colorado
Bikes: Salsa Vaya Ti, Specialized Ruby, Gunnar Sport, Motobecane Fantom CXX, Jamis Dragon, Novara Randonee x2
Posts: 1,660
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by bmclaughlin807 View Post
The bad half of that plan:

Oncoming car with driver talking on the cell phone approaches close enough to be within range of your jammer and loses his call.... where do you suppose that person's attention is now at?


Answer: It's NOT on driving, or oncoming traffic, etc. Said driver is now staring at his phone and fiddling with it, trying to figure out why he lost his call... while crossing the centerline and slamming headfirst into you and killing both of you.

yup. Sounds like a great plan to me.
A local road ride in these parts is the Rim Rock Road in Colorado National Monument. The road climbs up onto a plateau and 20 miles later descends down again. On the east side of the NM the road goes through a long unlighted tunnel, uphill. This part of the road is used by tourists and by the people who live in a community up on the plateau. Many people ride bikes on this road and through the tunnel. It scares me though. I keep a big blinky light on my road bike so I am visible in the tunnel. When traffic is heavy sometimes I stop a motorist and ask them to follow me through the tunnel for safety.

I can envision someone driving up the switchbacks, yakking on their cell phone, They get into the tunnel and lose service, and instead of paying attention to whether there is a cyclist in the tunnel ahead of them, they are looking down at their phone, wondering what happened......
__________________
Gunnar Sport
Specialized Ruby
Salsa Vaya Ti
Novara Randonee x2
Motobecane Fantom CXX
Jamis Dakar XCR
eofelis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-07-07, 11:45 PM   #12
bmclaughlin807
Crankenstein
 
bmclaughlin807's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Spokane
Bikes: Novara Randonee (TankerBelle)
Posts: 4,038
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by timmyquest View Post
Sorry, that is awesome.

Perhaps a good time for a funny story. I'm at my barber, who is an old WWII Navy guy running an old run down barber shop, and through his front window we watch a women spend 10 mins trying to park her truck while on the cellphone.

He tells me how much he hates those things etc. I agree with him and tell him why i think they are a pain in the ass and what have you. Next thing i know my cell phone rings full blast. I go to push the button that would not accept the call but instead pushed the speaker button and the person on the other line starts talking.

Hypocrite anyone?
: points and laughs :
__________________
"There is no greater wonder than the way the face and character of a woman fit so perfectly in a man's mind, and stay there, and he could never tell you why. It just seems it was the thing he most wanted." Robert Louis Stevenson

Last edited by bmclaughlin807; 11-08-07 at 02:02 AM.
bmclaughlin807 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-08-07, 12:11 AM   #13
FlyingAnchor
Senior Member
 
FlyingAnchor's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Humboldt County Ca
Bikes: All Recumbent, Strada and TT Tour
Posts: 301
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Where can one order one of those neat toys? Just askin.
FlyingAnchor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-08-07, 05:28 AM   #14
The Figment
The Wheel is Turning
 
The Figment's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Virgil Kansas
Bikes: '05 Novara (REI) Bonanza
Posts: 540
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
What I think would be a good Idea is to only use a cell phone jammer if it is permanently installed in a building ie Restaurant,Theater,library or places that peace and quiet are the norm. Lotsa big signs everywhere,letting folk know they are entering a "Cell Free Zone",and a land line or three for emergency calls.
In just a few years all automobiles will have high-speed internet at the push of a button so if you think phones are a distraction for drivers,wait till you start hearing the line " He was surfing for Pron and drifted off the road".
The Figment is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-08-07, 05:37 AM   #15
Tom Stormcrowe
Out fishing with Annie on his lap, a cigar in one hand and a ginger ale in the other, watching the sunset.
 
Tom Stormcrowe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: South Florida
Bikes: Techna Wheelchair and a Sun EZ 3 Recumbent Trike
Posts: 16,120
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Michigander View Post
Huh? What's epicski? What do you mean handle?
Handle = Screen name
__________________
. “He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.”- Fredrick Nietzsche

"We can judge the heart of a man by his treatment of animals." - Immanuel Kant
Tom Stormcrowe is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-08-07, 06:00 AM   #16
Taerom
Hazardous
 
Taerom's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Quarantine
Bikes: 2005 Trek Liquid 55, 2009 Haro Mary SS
Posts: 727
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I almost never use my cell phone in public. Sure, people who talk really loudly in places that should be kinda quiet (libraries, classrooms, etc) are annoying, but I think these 'jammers' are a pretty bad idea. Try making a call in an emergency, but the signal is jammed, and someone dies. If I ever saw someone using a jammer near me, I would probably punch them if the face, steal the jammer, break it, then call the police on my cell phone and try to have the person arrested.
Taerom is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-08-07, 07:31 AM   #17
eubi
No Rocket Surgeon
 
eubi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Corona and S. El Monte, CA
Bikes: Cannondale D600, Dahon Speed T7
Posts: 1,648
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
The judge, jury and executioner aspect of these jammers...it's scary.

Supression of our personal freedoms is the government's job, not yours!

I don't get why people want to deprive other people of their freedoms...just to feel superior?

I hear the arguement: "People talk extra loud into their cell phones". I've noticed that people that talk loudly into a cell phone talk loudly to the person next to them, so who cares if they're on a phone or not.

I know, some people use phones were they are completely inappropriate, but boors have been with us since humans began. Jammers are just a cowardly substitute for not telling the person to tone it down.

Some people drive distractedly while on a cell phone. Not good at all. But are you distracted when you jam them?

Where does it end?

Dont like the radio station someone's listening to? Jam it.

Don't like the TV show someone's watching? Jam it.

Don't like what someone's looking at on the internet? Jam it.

Don't like the jelly someone uses? Jam it?

__________________
Fewer Cars, more handlebars!
eubi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-08-07, 09:44 AM   #18
banerjek
Portland Fred
 
banerjek's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Bikes: Custom Winter, Challenge Seiran SL, Fuji Team Pro, Cattrike Road/Velokit, РOS hybrid
Posts: 11,182
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 10 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by phantomcow2 View Post
If you're crafty enough, you should be able to solder one together.
I soldered a radio jammer a few years ago. It was only good for around 100mhz because I used that frequency crystal oscillator, but that's all I needed it for
I'm kind of curious what you'd want to jam at that frequency and why...

When I was little one of my bros and I made a TV jammer when one of our house guests (we would sometimes have guests who stayed many months) spent all day watching soap operas. It worked great. My folks approved of the gizmo.
banerjek is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-08-07, 09:47 AM   #19
skinnyone
Dude wheres my guads?
 
skinnyone's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Guess
Bikes: Not enough
Posts: 2,680
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by bmclaughlin807 View Post
The bad half of that plan:

Oncoming car with driver talking on the cell phone approaches close enough to be within range of your jammer and loses his call.... where do you suppose that person's attention is now at?


Answer: It's NOT on driving, or oncoming traffic, etc. Said driver is now staring at his phone and fiddling with it, trying to figure out why he lost his call... while crossing the centerline and slamming headfirst into you and killing both of you.

yup. Sounds like a great plan to me.
No way the driver reacts fast enough unless my jamming radius > 10m. Which is highly unlikely.
skinnyone is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-08-07, 09:54 AM   #20
Michigander
Senior Member
 
Michigander's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Bikes: Giant ATX 1200, Schwinn Peleton
Posts: 1,724
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 54 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom Stormcrowe View Post
Handle = Screen name
OH.

Well in that case no. Although, I do go by that name on SKSboards.
__________________
Bring back the Sig Test!


(\__/)
(='.'=)
(")_(")
Michigander is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-08-07, 10:01 AM   #21
skinnyone
Dude wheres my guads?
 
skinnyone's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Guess
Bikes: Not enough
Posts: 2,680
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Michigander View Post
OH.

Well in that case no. Although, I do go by that name on SKSboards.
oh ok. Epicksi is ski/snowboard forum out to-gether by Epic Ski Academy.

And there is a person on EpicSki called Michigander and he replied to one of my posts. Secret admirer maybe
skinnyone is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-08-07, 11:57 AM   #22
CliftonGK1
Senior Member
 
CliftonGK1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Columbus, OH
Bikes: '08 Surly Cross-Check, 2011 Redline Conquest Pro, 2012 Spesh FSR Comp EVO, 2015 Trek Domane 6.2 disc
Posts: 11,380
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
They're not expensive to build, but you do need soldering skills.

Search the words "wavebubble" and "ladyada" and you should find what you're looking for.
__________________
"I feel like my world was classier before I found cyclocross."
- Mandi M.
CliftonGK1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-08-07, 12:00 PM   #23
ModoVincere
Riding Heaven's Highways on the grand tour
 
ModoVincere's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Bikes:
Posts: 1,675
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Best cell phone jammer ever.
__________________
1 bronze, 0 silver, 1 gold
ModoVincere is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-08-07, 12:15 PM   #24
markhr
POWERCRANK addict
 
markhr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: North Acton, West London, UK
Bikes:
Posts: 3,783
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
http://www.advanced-intelligence.com/counter.html?2371

indiscrete



discrete



either way they're not exactly cheap

edit - cheaper still http://www.globalgadgetuk.com/rx9000.htm
__________________
shameless POWERCRANK plug
Recommended reading for all cyclists - Cyclecraft - Effective Cycling
Condor Cycles - quite possibly the best bike shop in London
Don't run red lights, wear a helmet, use hand signals, get some cycle lights(front and rear) and, FFS, don't run red lights!
markhr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-08-07, 12:27 PM   #25
Maelstrom 
Wood Licker
 
Maelstrom's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Whistler,BC
Bikes: Transition Dirtbag, Kona Roast 2002 and specialized BMX
Posts: 16,885
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by skinnyone View Post
I am tempted to put one in my car that jams every cell phone yakking jack ass that I pass on the road.
I could just imagine,

"can you hear me..." oh **** it didn't work, whats with the lack of coverage in this one spot...the dork with glasses looks around and sees some skinny ****er in the corner with a jamming device laughing his ass off.

Now THAT would be a commercial.
Maelstrom is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 01:47 PM.