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Old 11-24-07, 05:49 PM   #1
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I got another new laptop

I got a Dell Inspiron 1721 (laptop) in August.
It came with Windows Vista.

Vista crashed 3 times this past week and I had to start the computer in "Safe Mode". What a crock!!
Anyway, after struggling with that piece of crap WAY TOO LONG I decided to get a computer with an operating system that works (because Dell would not uninstall Vista and install XP - they say that's downgrading the computer).
Plus the touchpad never did work to my satisfaction. Not sure if that was a Dell problem or a Vista problem.
So the wife and I went to the Apple store today and after a first rate explanation and demo that lasted for almost an hour, we got a MacBook Pro. I'm VERY pleased so far.
The Dell (and Windows Vista) are being returned on Monday. Good riddance!!

Did I make a good choice?
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You made a superb choice!

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Old 11-24-07, 06:04 PM   #3
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BTW: I seriously considered getting the MacBook before I bought the Dell but the lower price of the Dell swayed me over to the dark side.
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You made a great choice. That's what I got. Not trying to provoke the A vs. B argument, but I really do enjoy having an Apple. They're fun. But above all, they're very functional, once you figure out most of their tricks. Congrats.

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I got a Dell Inspiron 1721 in August.
It came with Windows Vista.

Vista crashed 3 times this past week and I had to start the computer in "Safe Mode". What a crock!!
Anyway, after struggling with that piece of crap WAY TOO LONG I decided to get a computer with an operating system that works (because Dell would not uninstall Vista and install XP - they say that's downgrading the computer).
Plus the touchpad never did work to my satisfaction. Not sure if that was a Dell problem or a Vista problem.
So the wife and I went to the Apple store today and after a first rate explanation and demo that lasted for almost an hour, we got a MacBook Pro. I'm VERY pleased so far.
The Dell (and Windows Vista) are being returned on Monday. Good riddance!!

Did I make a good choice?
You can return a computer after 3 months?
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Why didn't you just install XP on it yourself?
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So the operating system on your $900 Dell doesn't work so hot and your solution is to replace it with a $1900 mac??

Here are two things to consider:

1. There are plenty of free software options that the average user can install to protect windows from malware. It would only cost you a few hours of reading, reading you should do anyway no matter what hardware/software you are using. You could easily reinstall the system and lock it down.

2. Second, if you hate windows (there are certainly reasons to hate Vista) instead of buying a new computer, you can run a free linux distribution like ubuntu or pclinuxos. With a little work, you can get these free operating systems up and running in no time. Right now Linux has desktop features that shame both Mac and Windows:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82ZTV82OmKo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qddueXkD8E

At the end of the day, I'd rather self-educate than shell out $1000 to solve my problems. If you never take the initiative to figure these things out, you'll forever be caught between the scylla of Micro$oft's badly designed products and the charybdis of Apple's "It just works (for an extra $1000)!" marketing scams.
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So the operating system on your $900 Dell doesn't work so hot and your solution is to replace it with a $1900 mac??

Here are two things to consider:

1. There are plenty of free software options that the average user can install to protect windows from malware. It would only cost you a few hours of reading, reading you should do anyway no matter what hardware/software you are using. You could easily reinstall the system and lock it down.

2. Second, if you hate windows (there are certainly reasons to hate Vista) instead of buying a new computer, you can run a free linux distribution like ubuntu or pclinuxos. With a little work, you can get these free operating systems up and running in no time. Right now Linux has desktop features that shame both Mac and Windows:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82ZTV82OmKo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qddueXkD8E

At the end of the day, I'd rather self-educate than shell out $1000 to solve my problems. If you never take the initiative to figure these things out, you'll forever be caught between the scylla of Micro$oft's badly designed products and the charybdis of Apple's "It just works (for an extra $1000)!" marketing scams.
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Although os/x is a well-designed operating system, it's not enough for me to overcome my
unease with Apple's corporate hype machine.
Before I bought a mac I'd look into a Dell laptop with pre-loaded Linux...especially with
Gutsy Gibbon available.
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Old 11-24-07, 08:15 PM   #11
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Although os/x is a well-designed operating system, it's not enough for me to overcome my
unease with Apple's corporate hype machine.
Before I bought a mac I'd look into a Dell laptop with pre-loaded Linux...especially with
Gutsy Gibbon available.
Yeah, even though Apple's OS is light years better than windows (what isn't?), there's no way that you're going to convince me that it's worth my while to spend an extra $1000 to have Apple install it on what is basically another intel laptop manufactured by ASUS.

Just send your Dell back, buy an ASUS (dual boot Windows / Ubuntu Linux) and pocket the extra $700 you would have spent on a macbook pro.
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Old 11-24-07, 08:26 PM   #12
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I would like a MacBook Pro, but I'm too cheap and settled for a MacBook. Congratulations! I love this thing haha.
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From what I understand, you can still get Dells ( or any other computer for that matter) preloaded with XP. We have received a couple of dell laptops in the last few weeks that had XP preloaded.

Maybe you needed to talk to someone a little higher up ( e.g. supervisor) at Dell.
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You can order Dells right off their site with XP installed.

This is all I hear about lately since the girlfriend's kid is trying to be subtle in her desire for a laptop by mentioning it every five minutes.
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I just bought the new Macbook yesterday and it will arrive next week. We'll see how it works.
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HP, Dell, Lenovo and Toshiba all offer XP on certain models if you look around a bit. The problem is that it might not be the model you are looking for.

I think HP even offers a no OS option on a few of its business laptops that saves you $100. Dell, as mentioned, offers a few computers with Ubuntu pre-installed.
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I just ordered two dells on Friday.

One will be XP-Pro and the other XP-Home.

Coming from a Unix background, I do like the idea of least-user-permissions (or whatever MS thinks it ought to be called), I'm just not convinced Vista is ready for prime time.
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Vista is still a couple years away from real usability, I have XP beaten into submission just the way I like so I see no reason to switch anytime soon.
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My bugdet Toshiba just gave up. I was never very impressed with it. It was very noisy and overheated if you left it on a flat surface.

So I got an end of line/demonstrator/returned Sony Vaio with Vista at a very reduced rate. It works fine but I would have preferred to have gone Microsoft-free with a Dell/Ubuntu-Linux combination but unfortunately I need Powerpoint for work.
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My bugdet Toshiba just gave up. I was never very impressed with it. It was very noisy and overheated if you left it on a flat surface.

So I got an end of line/demonstrator/returned Sony Vaio with Vista at a very reduced rate. It works fine but I would have preferred to have gone Microsoft-free with a Dell/Ubuntu-Linux combination but unfortunately I need Powerpoint for work.
The situation that works well for me is dual booting so I can jump back into windows if I need something.
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Why didn't you just install XP on it yourself?
Why should I pay for a new copy of XP when the crap that came on the computer didn't work? Dell should do it!!!

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So the operating system on your $900 Dell doesn't work so hot and your solution is to replace it with a $1900 mac??
$900?? Try $1500.


XP wasn't available on any of the Dell "specials" that I saw (loaded with lots of extras).
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Why should I pay for a new copy of XP when the crap that came on the computer didn't work? Dell should do it!!!
Pay for XP, now that's funny.
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I can't say anything about Mac's since I have no experience with them. But Dell is the devil himself as far as I'm concerned. So yes, returning that POS is the right thing to do IMO.
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I would like a MacBook Pro, but I'm too cheap and settled for a MacBook. Congratulations! I love this thing haha.
Talk about cheap. I'm working on a Mac mini here, but I love this damn thing so much it hurts.
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Talk about cheap. I'm working on a Mac mini here, but I love this damn thing so much it hurts.
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