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Old 11-28-07, 02:47 PM   #1
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Browser suggestion

I am working with ubuntu trying to make it user friendly for the wifey. I need some browser suggestions. Opera is damn close to what I want (almost like IE and very fast) where firefox is the opposite. The key strokes are not similar and the browser performs really slowly.

However Opera appears to be buggy with poor adaptation of out of spec html and css. Foe example overlapping lettering, small text boxes at times etc (no need to argue the fault of the sites, I understand why there are standards but if the brower doesn't work, it won't cut it, I can't go and fix every site on the web), that said, operas speed is great, the speeddial option is cool and some of the plugins are really neat while not affecting performance.

So from you desktop *nix folks, am I stuck with opera? or is there something out there thats better (again, don't tell me firefox, if thats what you believe, there is no need to post, I will get the hint)

[edit] cute I had to come back and edit this, because midway through posting the freaking text box shrunk to the size of a peanut.
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Old 11-28-07, 02:55 PM   #2
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Epiphany may be worth a look. It's stripped down, to make it fast, but it renders with the Mozilla engine, so most every site works correctly. It is a Gnome application, which in my opinion is a drawback as I don't use Gnome, but if you're giving her a Gnome desktop, it's not bad.
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Thanks I will try it, still doesn't match the keymappings I am used to. But it is definitely fast and clean.

I was just testing ubuntu to see if it will work as a windows replacement as so many brag. I am attacking each of my issues one by one trying to get them perfected. When I am done, this will be her laptop to use.
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You can change the keymappings of Firefox I'm pretty sure.
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You have Konquerer, Opera, and like Linuxelf states, Epiphany. There is one other really cool Linux graphical browser that is very lightweight, but I'm forgetting the name (no, I'm not listing Firefox because of the OP's request).
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Old 11-28-07, 03:22 PM   #6
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You can change the keymappings of Firefox I'm pretty sure.
Ya there is supposed to be a plugin but it keeps failing.
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Old 11-28-07, 03:23 PM   #7
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You have Konquerer, Opera, and like Linuxelf states, Epiphany. There is one other really cool Linux graphical browser that is very lightweight, but I'm forgetting the name (no, I'm not listing Firefox because of the OP's request).
, I don't find it very lightweight. I didn't in windows either. I am still trying to work with it, I am just looking for other options.
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, I don't find it very lightweight. I didn't in windows either. I am still trying to work with it, I am just looking for other options.
It's Linux. It doesn't have to be lightweight. It's not windows On windows, I run firewall and virus protection. I run nothing of the sort on Linux

Anyway, on my Windows OS, I run Opera. It's fast and it works. What exactly is wrong with Firefox on your machine?
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you want Swiftfox:

Swiftfox is an optimized build of Mozilla Firefox. Swiftfox has builds for both AMD and Intel processors.
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Select your processor
AMD

* Athlon 64
* Athlon-XP
* Sempron
* Duron

Intel

* Pentium 4
* Pentium M
* Pentium 3
* Pentium 3M
* Prescott
* Core Solo/Duo
* Celeron (Willamette, Northwood, Celeron D)
* Celeron M
* Celeron (Coppermine, Tualatin)

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It's Linux. It doesn't have to be lightweight. It's not windows On windows, I run firewall and virus protection. I run nothing of the sort on Linux

Anyway, on my Windows OS, I run Opera. It's fast and it works. What exactly is wrong with Firefox on your machine?
I find it slow, I have a gut feeling it has to do with the way it caches site. Take the simplest of examples. On opera I hit "back" and it is instantaneous. On firefox, I get to wait for the page to load. I am going to play with tweaking firefox, At this point nothing is perfect. I have tried the keymapping program and it just doesn't work. Still going to play.

As for your statement, it defines logic. When I use *nix I use it because of its weight. It is generally more efficient and faster than windows. Ironically, once you stick the gui on top, it isn't any better than windows (at least gnome). Just more of an observation than anything, coming from CL I shouldn't be surprised. I could cite example in the world of cisco, the gui for aironets borders on sucking for speed, meanwhile I can drop to CL and rip through commands much faster. I guess this is just a bit of an experiment for myself as much as trying to make a secure laptop for the wife. The last time I played you *nix as a desktop was many years ago. Its come along way thats for sure.

I am also doing this because I am making a business centre for our non computer using associates. To sit down at break and surf the web and work on documents etc. I don't trust windows to an unlimited number of users, so a *nix desktop is the perfect solution for the potential problems.
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Old 11-28-07, 04:25 PM   #11
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Thansk guys, i have a lot to play with now. I appreciate the help. I will have some other questions later of the misc sort. Well, if I can't find the answer in some man page or on the web anyways, never was a fan of posting questions haha
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I haven't used it in years, but supposedly Konqueror is pretty good. I think it's gotten a lot of development help from Apple, being that they use Konqueror's rendering engine (KHTML) for Safari. It's a KDE application, though, so you might be better off using Kubuntu if you end up liking it.
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Opera is damn close to what I want (almost like IE and very fast) where firefox is the opposite. The key strokes are not similar and the browser performs really slowly.
That's the beauty of open source, if you don't like it, change it. I rarely see a site that doesn't work in Opera, though Opera is not my main browser. I have noticed that when text overlaps, if I increase the font size, it often goes away.
Epiphany is pretty fast, but also basic.
If you really like IE, then use IE, but I wouldn't give up on FireFox (IceWeasel for me). There are settings for almost everything, including how pages are cached. Here is a page with some of the things that can be changed:
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Firefox_:_...config_Entries

And of course you can change the interface as well. I hated that the find box appeared at the bottom, I wanted it at the top, so I changed it.
I haven't used Konquerer in a very long time. I don't run KDE, but I remember it being pretty fast. That was before the help of Apple, so I can't comment on that one.
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That's the beauty of open source, if you don't like it, change it. I rarely see a site that doesn't work in Opera, though Opera is not my main browser. I have noticed that when text overlaps, if I increase the font size, it often goes away.
That and text boxes shift sizes, those were my main complaints

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Epiphany is pretty fast, but also basic.
If you really like IE, then use IE, but I wouldn't give up on FireFox (IceWeasel for me). There are settings for almost everything, including how pages are cached. Here is a page with some of the things that can be changed:
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Firefox_:_...config_Entries
Is there IE for linux hahaha. I am one of the very few people that would use it.

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And of course you can change the interface as well. I hated that the find box appeared at the bottom, I wanted it at the top, so I changed it.
I haven't used Konquerer in a very long time. I don't run KDE, but I remember it being pretty fast. That was before the help of Apple, so I can't comment on that one.
Yep, interface changes were pretty simplistic. I did know about apple getting konq, that was actually the first brower I tried eons ago on bsd. I liked it back then. I always found derivites of mozilla slow (even the originals) but with some cleaning it appears I almost have firefox dialed. Keymapping aside, its working well now. I believe I will be using epihany for the associate business centre. Its basic and similar to IE, I don't want to deal with support calls on how to use firefox.
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people would call you asking how to use firefox?
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people would call you asking how to use firefox?
This setup is for people who rarely, if ever, of the 200 I am betting 100 have never touched a pc. I am literally setting it up like an internet kiosk. The dialpad for opera and firefox are ideal as I can make everything in your face, with no required previous knowledge.

Then you have the other 100, who are older and very set in their ways, I can see issues occuring when firefox doesn't perform the same as IE. (this would also be the same issue my fiance has, who has some experience with computers, but only enough for a passing familiarity.
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Yeah, the speed dial plug in is pretty nice.
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I agree, though. The later versions of Firefox have gotten increasingly large, slow, and crash prone. I still use it as my default browser mainly because of the Firebug plug-in.

When I converted my mom's computer from Win98 to Linux, I set her up with Gnome and Firefox. It was still much faster than what she was used to on her old Windows desktop, but if I had it to do all over again, I'd probably choose something lighter weight.
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I agree, though. The later versions of Firefox have gotten increasingly large, slow, and crash prone. I still use it as my default browser mainly because of the Firebug plug-in.

When I converted my mom's computer from Win98 to Linux, I set her up with Gnome and Firefox. It was still much faster than what she was used to on her old Windows desktop, but if I had it to do all over again, I'd probably choose something lighter weight.
Yeah, firefox has been crashing a lot lately. In windows it's positively unstable if you're downloading a larger file.
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I don't have any problems w/ FF on Ubuntu. I could not live with out the restore session feature that FF has. I also like the Web Editors plug in.
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