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Old 11-28-07, 04:36 PM   #1
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Bums, rethink your strategy.

There was this one bum when I walked into 7/11, his strategy was quite clever. He would open the door for people coming, complement them. Then on the way out open the door again, and then at that time ask for spare change. So.. he does them a service, get's on their good side, then asks for change directly after a purchase when a person has some spare change. It was clever I thought, he was getting quite a few quarters, I gave him 40 cents.

I realized, I'm much less prone to giving out change when a bum is sitting on the side of the street with a cup doing nothing. Not sure why.
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Old 11-28-07, 04:40 PM   #2
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One guy made over 40 grand in a year doing that, tax free of course.
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I saw a bum walk into a restaurant and get some ice cream from the serve yourselve place.
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I usually have one person I kinda take care of on the street. Last guy was an extremely tall man - really had the build of a basketball player - but he walked, with great strength, with an old walker - and his motor skills were hard - speech hard. But I told him that if I had something, I would give it to him (see he hit people up the soon as he saw movement in the bus stop area), that he wasn't to ask me -- his name btw was James, I guess he got transferred to a better facility - he was wearing warmer and newer clothes and looked much happier.

Now - and he wants me to take a picture of him - there's Ernest. Ernest lives in a bus stop (glass enclosed with a bony seat). He's been there all Summer. I finally started pulling over and talking to him about 2 months ago - bright twinkly eyed man. And harmless. And doesn't bum anything - (see on both intersections by him - one being an expressway entrance/exit - there is usually two people with signs and/or walking amongst the cars begging). In fact I've seen people pull over, jump out of their cars and run up to him with food, clothing. And I've seen piles of clothing left for him too. He told me he's living off and another street - but that's quite a ways for him to walk. Then he told me he was accepted into the "Dimitri" house - right across the street. I'm thinking about following up on that.

Anyway - I had received about $1K more than I expected in a paycheck (guess I missed a couple of raises) and so - feeling good - I made good on my plan to stop and talk to him - and so glad I did. Gave him some money - totally floored him - told him to go eat something and do what ever with the rest. His eyes bulged out (and asked me if the $20 was real - cause someone gave him a phony one a week before and he nearly got put in jail for it when the shop owner called the cops). Have stopped a few times and given him a few dollars, brought him some hot coffee/soup. I passed him tonight and its cold out there (back down to 28F now) and windy, and he's huddled in the bus stop. But I couldn't help him with anything tonite - tomorrow I can - one of my chef friends is making me a nice warm care package for him.

Yeah some people will argue that we shouldn't give them money that we should help them help themselves - get a job, etc. This guy is one of the lost people. Homeless - probably an alcoholic - probably only 40 yrs old, yet looks 55 with minimal skills. He's doing, unfortunately, what he can only do. But it would be nice to see him in a home that caters for the "lost" people like him.

HA - just made good on that, just contacted the Dimitri House and what do you know - my United Way charitable dollars from my paycheck are now going to be headed their way instead of just going into the melting pot. They will be calling me back on him. I feel good about this

Oh and I've talked about computers with him (have pulled up and sat with him in "his" bus shelter) and talked about forums - he wanted his pic to be posted. hehe. Nice guy --- I give him a big ole wave morning and night when I pass him When I've given him some money - he looks kinda embarrassed and says "aww you don't have to do that" ... and thanks me many times. Nice man.
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- lots of issues locally w/the homeless... the city of St. Pete is currently letting them sleep on the sidewalks of city hall - but the civil servants complained about the 'presents' being left on the steps and sidewalks...

- now they just hose down the sidewalks in the morning, and like the remains left by irresponsible dog-walkers, we'll all enjoy the results through groundwater filtration...

- in a few weeks, the city will open a 10-acre homeless park in an unused industrial area downtown (which i think should be named Bartertown)...

- so come on down to St. Pete and bring your sleeping bag and tent! there will be free showers, free food, and a safe, patrolled place to call 'home'!
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I have a rule about homeless people on the side of the road. If I can't read your sign, I won't give you money. They write their life story in pencil on a brown piece of cardboard. Just write "I Need money".
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Old 11-28-07, 07:11 PM   #7
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You're a good woman, Tude. 'nuff said.
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You're a good woman, Tude. 'nuff said.
Ernest deserves to be the most unlikely poster boy. He's soo appreciative.

I work in Service-Learning in a community college and we do not (yet) have anything established with the Dimitri House (not liking the fact they want volunteers to stay over night in order to serve breakfast - umm that's a huge pile of hooey in my mind). So I'm going to work on it.

And OH FAREAKIN NOES --- Nooooo, <whine> <dinky sob> Dam it. Just saw on the website something about -- GRRR HIKE for the HOMELESS. grrrrr. Please, hold me back, and make me repeat - Tude ... you shall only spend your many energys on the yearly Crit as well as the Rochester Marathon ...

Thanks btw. As Mom used to say - OH NO THERE SHE GOES AGAIN ....!

worthwhile though ...
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Bums in the US are rank amateurs. The ones in Italy are consummate professionals.
Old hags wrapped in cloth (nice Italian cloth), junkies also wrapped and on their knees for the entire day....
A cardboard sign and a dirty hand just don't move me any more. If you are going to be a bum study abroad first, learn your trade.
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Old 11-29-07, 09:57 AM   #10
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There was a heroin addict in SF, I don't know if he still has this routine. He would dress up in khakis, a sweater vest, a button up shirt and a tie. He always had a nice beard, and his hair was slicked back. Even though he was a hobo drug addict, he had to look nice for his routine. He would carry a gas can, and a pen and notepad. He would go up to people at traffic lights, and say he was Mr such and such from a couple of miles away, and that he needed to borrow 5 dollars for gas, and he would insist on writing their names down with an address so he could pay them back. Of course, he never wrote down anything. And if there was still time, he would go right up to the next car acting like he didn't get the money from the last one.
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whenever a bum asks for money for food, i offer to buy them a sandwich. i'm yet to have one accept my offer.

my favorite story was when i was in college & i was walking past 2 guys & one was lighting a cigarette with a bottle next to him. he took his smoke out of his mouth, took a swig & asked me for spare change. i looked at the bottle, his pack of smokes, then him & said "you have to be ****ing kidding me." he had the most defeated look on his face evar.
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Old 11-29-07, 11:13 AM   #12
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There used to be a guy that also did that at the McD's on 2nd and Market that held open the doors for people and ask for change on the way out. I'd buy 2 sausage mcmuffin's and give him one or give him my change if I had any.

Then one day I guess some guy was there before him doing the same thing and he chased him off. I guess he invaded his territory. Doh! Although I haven't seen the guy in the last few weeks so I wonder what happened to him?

There is another guy that haunts AT&T Park during gamedays and walks on the walkway behind the right field wall and puts up a sign over his head that says "Bet you can't hit me with a quarter!" So everyone always tries to toss him change.

And there was another guy at the BART entrance on Montgomery that had a sign that read something like "Will take verbal abuse for your change". I thought that was pretty good. I've always wanted to yell at him and flip him a few bucks for his creativity but I rarely carry cash. Now I don't see him anymore. Oh well...
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at least they ask, does your bank?
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Old 11-29-07, 11:33 AM   #14
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I had one with a good strategy. He asks me for change, and when I say I don't have any he says in his half drunk bum voice, "Why not?"
I say, "Because I don't have any. That's it"
he says "You got to get some money, man"
At which point I walk away.
He says, "I should punch you in the face!"
I say, "We'll You're surely not getting any now. You're just mean!"

A few days later the same guys asks for change again, and I just shake my head.
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Here in sacramento we have "Downtown James Brown". Just like the name implies he sings and dances James brown. For $1.00 you can get a whole song. He's clever too. Hangs out at Hipster bars, young drunk kids love to give money.

The other day my roommate saw him in Starbucks with a portable DVD player watching a movie. He is also rumored to own a home somewhere in the Sac Grid.

But his game is tight. He knows pretty much every James Brown song.
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Old 11-29-07, 11:45 AM   #16
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There was this one bum when I walked into 7/11, his strategy was quite clever. He would open the door for people coming, complement them. Then on the way out open the door again, and then at that time ask for spare change. So.. he does them a service, get's on their good side, then asks for change directly after a purchase when a person has some spare change. It was clever I thought, he was getting quite a few quarters, I gave him 40 cents.

I realized, I'm much less prone to giving out change when a bum is sitting on the side of the street with a cup doing nothing. Not sure why.
Not much different than the ones who come up to your car at a stop light in NYC (so I hear) and try to clean your windshield and then ask for money. Of course they usually start by spitting a hocker on it to start so it "must" be cleaned/completed now.
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whenever a bum asks for money for food, i offer to buy them a sandwich. i'm yet to have one accept my offer.
When I lived in DC, I used the same strategy with the same results. At the time, the fashionable way for bums to ask for money was to say something to the effect of "can you spare some change so I can buy a sandwich?" I always brought my lunch and would have been willing to give (or share for someone who needed to see me eat some) it to anyone. No takers ever. I've been taken by a number of good lines over the years but I am willing to help people who seem to have just hit a very short bout of bad luck and just need to get home.

On my first unsupported century when I was 16, mechanical difficulties I encountered included a blowout and a broken chain. I was totally unprepared and had to rely on the kindness of strangers to buy a chainbreaker and a tube (hey, I was 16 -- I didn't need to think ahead). People were very nice. One lady insisted on giving me enough extra so I could get something to eat as well.
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Old 11-29-07, 11:59 AM   #18
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There was a guy in Columbus, OH back when I was in college, and we just knew him as "The Pizza Slice Guy." The first time we saw him, it was nearly winter. He was sort of dancing down the sidewalk, shaking his change cup to keep a beat, and said "My hands are cold, and my feet are ice. I was waitin' for a pizza slice! I seen 'em... Help is on the way!" Every time we would head up to High St. for a show, or record shopping, he was there. He always had new rhymes, too. There was no way I could pass up paying him for his efforts. Apparently the pizza shop about a block from where we usually saw him was his usual food stop, and they hooked him up with free sodas and discounts on pizza.
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There was this one bum when I walked into 7/11, his strategy was quite clever. He would open the door for people coming, complement them. Then on the way out open the door again, and then at that time ask for spare change. So.. he does them a service, get's on their good side, then asks for change directly after a purchase when a person has some spare change. It was clever I thought, he was getting quite a few quarters, I gave him 40 cents.

I realized, I'm much less prone to giving out change when a bum is sitting on the side of the street with a cup doing nothing. Not sure why.
What he's doing would be illegal within Dallas city limits. There's an ordinance against panhandling within 25' of the entrance of a business.
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that guy is actually a legend around here. he is the "help is on the way" guy. local hipster clothing stores carry tee shirts with his face, rhymes, etc on them. he is always rapping up and down high street
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i met this guy last month sometimes at 2am painting.


the first time i met him he was homeless, I even wrote a blog post about it
http://stupidhurts.org/2007/09/07/pr...nd-public-art/

since then we have stopped to talk, it turns out he is no longer homeless and has so much money cooming is from his painting he had to get someone to manage it for him, but he still paintes on the street and night and his paintings are still amazing
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that guy is actually a legend around here. he is the "help is on the way" guy. local hipster clothing stores carry tee shirts with his face, rhymes, etc on them. he is always rapping up and down high street
No kidding? I had no idea that he was still around there. That's awesome!

Do any of the clothing stores cut him in on the profits from sales of merch with his image, or are they just exploiting his work?
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A friend had a story about going to a popular bar (with a cover) downtown. A bum hit him up for some change while walking from the car to the bar, so he's says "sorry, I don't have any cash on me" (except for his cover, of course...shhh!).

The bum replied, "Well you're going to a bar, right? How are you gonna buy drinks?"

With the obvious reply, "Well, I'll use my debit card for that."

So the bum comes back, "No problem, I can show you where there's an ATM."

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Bums in the US are rank amateurs. The ones in Italy are consummate professionals.
Old hags wrapped in cloth (nice Italian cloth), junkies also wrapped and on their knees for the entire day....
A cardboard sign and a dirty hand just don't move me any more. If you are going to be a bum study abroad first, learn your trade.
Spare some change? I'm trying to save up for my flight to Italy. I'm...uh...in an apprenticeship program.
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- in a few weeks, the city will open a 10-acre homeless park in an unused industrial area downtown (which i think should be named Bartertown)...
Ah yes, but who would run Bartertown?
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