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Old 12-11-07, 01:06 AM   #1
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Advice for ebay noob???

No takers on my CAAD9 frameset and I need some fast cash to put toward a new laptop.

Ebay seems to be the way to go. I've bought plenty of stuff on ebay but I've never sold anything.

Give some advice to a first time seller.
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Pictures, plenty of clear, detailed pictures. They don't have to be huge... 640x480 to 800x600. People hate a slow loading auction page and you loose perspective if you have to scroll all over the place to view it.

A good, honest, somewhat loquacious description helps. Don't lie or exaggerate, especially on condition, but remember the ad man's motto... Sell the sizzle, not the steak.

Lastly, a feedback history helps emensly too. People are hesitant to buy from a zero or shabby feedback seller.

Hope this helps.
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The first thing to do is to search eBay for CAAD9 framesets and see whats for sale and what its going for. Search completed listings and see what prices have been acheived. Is it what you want to get for it?

An important first step is to take some REALY good pictures of your frame. Buyers like good photographs. When it comes to posting your photographs send the uncompressed origional to eBay and let it do the compressing once and once only. Use the option of larger photographs. If it doesn't look good your not going to get good bids on it.

Have your shipping and packing costs worked out before hand. Buyers like to know what they are committing themselves to. Simply stating that you will work it out later is going to put off potential bidders and have others leaving some headroom in their bids.

Decide on your starting price or buy it now stratergy. I'm not a fan of 99c starting bids. I've seen it fail as often as I've seen it succeed. Its a risk. Yes I've seen it attract a lot of bids but sometimes those bids fall woefully short of a decent price. I reccomend starting at a price that you would be happy with at a pinch if thats the only bid you get. I also reccomend having a buy it now price thats not simply a fantasy. Tempt a buyer with a price thats good for them and reasonable for you.

Thats a start.

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Oh... I forgot. Do not use ebay as your picture host, especially as includes in an auction. They charge you for additional pictures, and they charge you for bigger pictures. Masters of the nickle and dime!

Use your own picture host. The 'Description' text box recognizes basic HTML so you can do a mini web page for your listing complete with text formatting, tables, pictures and links. Don't pay ebay for the crap!
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Oh... I forgot. Do not use ebay as your picture host, especially as includes in an auction. They charge you for additional pictures, and they charge you for bigger pictures. Masters of the nickle and dime!

Use your own picture host. The 'Description' text box recognizes basic HTML so you can do a mini web page for your listing complete with text formatting, tables, pictures and links. Don't pay ebay for the crap!

You know I kind of thought the same but I managed to get the eBay picture hosting to work well enough for me. See my instructions in the post above. Sure you can do better by doing it yourself but when you price in your time for setting it up then eBays prices aren't that unreasonable.

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The thing is, we'd been using our own photohost for years before ebay even thought of hosting images.
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in your description, spend a little bit of verbiage explaining how your frame was used - terrain & riding style. Make sure your frame is super clean when you take your pics, and highlight & describe any scratches or dings. Also, copy & paste the frame's specs from the c'dale site.
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Be very careful about copying anything from a manufacturers website. Everything on a website is property of the manufacturer and they often watch ebay for infringement and contact ebay. Ebay will then pull your auction and/or suspend your account. There was thread just recently on foo about a foosters auction being pulled for this reason.
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No takers on my CAAD9 frameset and I need some fast cash to put toward a new laptop.

Ebay seems to be the way to go. I've bought plenty of stuff on ebay but I've never sold anything.

Give some advice to a first time seller.
you'll never be able to guess all of the questions that they ask and no matter what you put in there there will be people asking questions about the exact stuff you spent so much time writing about.

Generally you want to make somebody comfortable about what they are buying. Pretend like you were buying something. what questions would you ask
Shipping / Handling?
Satisfaction?
Condition?
if used what did it do?
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What I normally do is have a friend who does sell a lot of stuff on ebay list it for me.
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Old 12-11-07, 01:18 PM   #11
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Lots of things I hadn't thought about. Thanks everyone.

Yeah, it's brand new, factory packed and ready to fly. I would think that it would fetch a good price were it not for the fact that I have almost zero feedback.

The other option is to keep in the marketplace here until someone snaps it up, but that might not be for a few months.
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^ Not a bad idea, if you have a friend you trust and s/he trusts you, using an ebay account with feedback will net better bids.

Be very communicative, check your email often. I hate asking a question on an item with BIN then once the seller gets back to me days later it's already sold.

If you want suggestions on layout, I've had good luck with the following:

Make a table with two columns, the one on the left 500px wide, the one on the right 300 or 400px wide. Fill the one on the right with 300/400px thumbnails in a vertical row, leaving a little space between each one (if it's not obvious what's in the photo, put a caption in this space). Make each photo a link to the bigger version, and make sure your buyers know about this (write "Click each photo for bigger version" in bold somewhere"). Important: DO NOT USE STOCK PHOTOS. I hate this. So much.

Now for the left column. Open with a paragraph about what the item is and why you're selling it. Also include a sentance or two about why the buyer might want this item if they don't know what they're looking for. If you don't need much space to describe the condition, include it in this paragraph. Otherwise use another paragraph. I often make key-words bold like "BB Included" or something so that it'll catch the eye of readers who skim it. Follow with a bullet-point list of the specs. As others have said, don't copy from the manufacturers website, but double-check to make sure you included everything. Also make certain words bold for this. End with a paragraph about additional terms, how long buyers should expect for you to ship it, etc. and mention that you answer questions quickly. This last point is key: don't write like a robot. Have some personality to the listing.

If you can't handle the html for this, I could probably whip up a template, but I'm busy today.

EDIT: Oh, and be sure to budget enough for shipping.. you may need to buy a box/shipping supplies in addition to actual postage. It sucks to lose money because you didn't charge enough for shipping/handling.
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You might also consider adding local pickup OK. This helps give the impression the frame actually exists....
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Did you try Craigslist ?
Ive listed motorcycles on ebay and only gotten wackjobs.

In my move from Vermont I put most of my bike stuff (a lot !)on craigslist and
after weeding out the email timewasters found real, good buyers for
all of it.
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I'm not a fan of 99c starting bids. I've seen it fail as often as I've seen it succeed. Its a risk. Yes I've seen it attract a lot of bids but sometimes those bids fall woefully short of a decent price.
Good point. On the other hand, setting something at a low price often attracts more bidders (and thereby watchers) from the start, and you'll get people more interested as it goes on, even as the price goes up.
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I had my Specialized on Craig's List for 3 weeks and no takers, but one guy came out and looked. I put my bike on ebay and in 3 days I had 17 people watching and 3 local people call me. Sold it last night for just about what I had it up as a BIN price to a local guy. Just be reasonable with your pricing, don't try getting rich or it will never sell.

The very same bike as mine, only one size smaller, same components\wheels, and the guy is trying to sell it with a new bike price, $800, only the bike is 4 years old and he has no bidders. He actually has had to re-list it yesterday. I put mine up for $550 BIN, sold it and I ended the auction early. Best of both worlds. I sold it, have cash in hand, and I did not have to ship it anywhere. .

As far as starting price, I always use use the; this is my bottom line to sell number.
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Did you try Craigslist ?
Ive listed motorcycles on ebay and only gotten wackjobs.

In my move from Vermont I put most of my bike stuff (a lot !)on craigslist and
after weeding out the email timewasters found real, good buyers for
all of it.
Local folks around here would be shocked by a listing for a $600-$700 frameset, and I know all the people that would be interested.

The auction is attractive because I'm moving at the end of the month and could use less boxed frame and more cash.
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^ Not a bad idea, if you have a friend you trust and s/he trusts you, using an ebay account with feedback will net better bids.

Be very communicative, check your email often. I hate asking a question on an item with BIN then once the seller gets back to me days later it's already sold.

If you want suggestions on layout, I've had good luck with the following:

Make a table with two columns, the one on the left 500px wide, the one on the right 300 or 400px wide. Fill the one on the right with 300/400px thumbnails in a vertical row, leaving a little space between each one (if it's not obvious what's in the photo, put a caption in this space). Make each photo a link to the bigger version, and make sure your buyers know about this (write "Click each photo for bigger version" in bold somewhere"). Important: DO NOT USE STOCK PHOTOS. I hate this. So much.

Now for the left column. Open with a paragraph about what the item is and why you're selling it. Also include a sentance or two about why the buyer might want this item if they don't know what they're looking for. If you don't need much space to describe the condition, include it in this paragraph. Otherwise use another paragraph. I often make key-words bold like "BB Included" or something so that it'll catch the eye of readers who skim it. Follow with a bullet-point list of the specs. As others have said, don't copy from the manufacturers website, but double-check to make sure you included everything. Also make certain words bold for this. End with a paragraph about additional terms, how long buyers should expect for you to ship it, etc. and mention that you answer questions quickly. This last point is key: don't write like a robot. Have some personality to the listing.

If you can't handle the html for this, I could probably whip up a template, but I'm busy today.

EDIT: Oh, and be sure to budget enough for shipping.. you may need to buy a box/shipping supplies in addition to actual postage. It sucks to lose money because you didn't charge enough for shipping/handling.
I think your ebay skills own mine. I'll see what I can do! Thanks.
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Decide on your starting price or buy it now stratergy. I'm not a fan of 99c starting bids. I've seen it fail as often as I've seen it succeed. Its a risk. Yes I've seen it attract a lot of bids but sometimes those bids fall woefully short of a decent price. I reccomend starting at a price that you would be happy with at a pinch if thats the only bid you get. I also reccomend having a buy it now price thats not simply a fantasy. Tempt a buyer with a price thats good for them and reasonable for you.

Thats a start.

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Assuming that the frame is a fairly common size, for something as popular as a CAAD9 frame I think a 99c bid would be fine as the market is going to determine a fair price (as you suggested the fair price is pretty much an average of all the previous auction prices for similar frames). If you are selling something one off or low volume, then it would be a bad idea to put a low starting price. The starting price also determines how much you get charged initial fees.
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