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Old 01-03-08, 08:39 PM   #1
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Recommend me a non-ipod MP3 player

I have received a bike trainer for xmas... i now realize it is really boring pedaling and not going anywhere.. I'm usually a nerd, but I don't own a MP3 player.. this would be idea for on the trainer..

Here's the deal...
I want a 2gb or above with a radio as small as possible.. I really like the ones that are shaped like a usb stick with the connector built on, but will consider other form factors..

I bought a Sandisk Sansa express, I liked it for the 3 hours it worked, but I had to return it and don't trust those enough to buy another one.

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If you have a PDA than you will most likely just need to buy a decent memory card for storing lots of songs. (under $35 for card)
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my pda doesn't have a radio
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Is there a technical reason you can't use an iPod? Despite the popularity and the overkill marketing, it's still a good little player. The Shuffle may be a bit too bare-bones, and I don't think it comes in 2GB capacity, but the Nano would fit the bill. 2, 4, and 8GB, I believe, solid-state, and very small.

Other than that, I've had a little Creative player that I was entirely unimpressed with (granted, it's near the low end of their line), and I'd heard that the Samsung players were pretty good, but you've found otherwise.
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Check out iRIver. Also, look at the mp3 player section at Newegg.com
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I have 4 mp3 players, 3 non-iPod. My 60GB iPod is still the one I listen to the most. I feel a lot of the Sandisk MP3 players are poorly built with cheap plastic (I've brought two and I returned them both).

I would recommend the Creative Muvo line, but since you want 2gb, I'd go with Creative Zen V Plus. The Zen V Plus is almost as small as the current iPod nano, and it's much cheaper.
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Is there a technical reason you can't use an iPod? Despite the popularity and the overkill marketing, it's still a good little player. The Shuffle may be a bit too bare-bones, and I don't think it comes in 2GB capacity, but the Nano would fit the bill. 2, 4, and 8GB, I believe, solid-state, and very small.

Other than that, I've had a little Creative player that I was entirely unimpressed with (granted, it's near the low end of their line), and I'd heard that the Samsung players were pretty good, but you've found otherwise.
iPod doesn't have a radio...
I may try creative
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iPod doesn't have a radio...
You can buy an attachment for it that gives it a radio, im sure you could find it for cheaper on ebay.

http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPL...&nplm=MA070G/D
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Creative Muvo or Zen.
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Well I don't like iTunes either, and don't like apple or anything about an ipod. maybe I'll just crank up this 1980's walkman I found
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I've been using my creative Zen Micro for a few years now, loved it.
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Zune has radio and from the looks of the commercial they have a smaller version out.
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I think that the iPod is probably the best MP3 player you are probably going to get on the market, BUT Creative's offerings are a REALLY close second.

For me, the iPod serves me very well not because of its UI or audio quality (both of which I think have been topped), but its form factor and design. It's extremely easy to operate and leaves a very small physical profile. You can pit it just about anywhere, and it will look good. As I mentioned before, I don't think the UI is great (even though it's probably the best there is for the iPod's form factor), but it's extremely concise and very easy to understand (mostly for those not too familiar with tech). Furthermore, adding RockBox to it makes it a much more capable player (with the exception of WMA support).

Creative's MP3 players are probably second best. They are fairly easy to use, most of the devices have impeccible audio quality (better than iPod) and are starting to look stylish and attractive (like the new Zen and Zen Stone (?)). Their video playback is also nice, since it accepts many more formats than iPod's offering. They also play WMAs and protected WMAs, which can be a REALLY BIG DEAL if you like to listen to audiobooks.

I can't stress that enough. Converting protected WMAs to ANYTHING is a really huge hassle, especially if you have Windows Vista. I'm just learning this now, as trying to get 8 books on my iPod is becoming a huge exercise in futility as they are all protected WMA encoded.

Last choice I would probably recommend is the Zune, since it seems to actually hold a candle to what's already out there. They look good, sound good and have WiFi, which will probably be capitalized later in the future (especially now that Apple has their iTunes WiFi Music Store up and running).

Now that the price for an MP3 player is an equal level playing field, the choice is really up to you. I would try each one for a couple of days and see what you think.

Sorry for the long-ish post.

EDIT: I should also mention that all of those devices (except the Zune, for which I'm not too sure of) have excellent build quality and will last you a while. Both of my Zen Micro's STILL work (after 4 years of usage), and my iPod is still strong. Also, Apple's support has been nothing short of amazing.

My first encounter with them was when I broke my iPod's screen at a Filipino festival which I participated in (mabuhay!). After submitting the repair form, they EXPRESSED a box to me (got it in 2 days or so) with an EXPRESS return label, and fixed it in about a day or so after they received it. The total turnaround time was a week.

Creative's support, however, is not as fantastic. The hard drive on my original Zen Micro broke, so I submitted it to them for repairs. Took them nearly a month to get it back to me, even though it got upgraded to 6 GB in the process (time-return on investment?) and it was during the holiday season. They also called me back telling me that the check to have the problem fixed bounced, even though that wasn't on record. I never paid them, and they never called back.

Creative can also take FOREVER to update their drivers. Apple is usually much more prompt on this.
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My brands are Cowon and Iriver. They put out some impressive products but they might cost a little more than apple, creative and sansa.

I bought a Samsung YP-U2 (2gb) that has the built in USB connector, radio and microphone:



It totally stunk until I flashed the New Zeland / Australian firmware. Now it's great, although the sound quality isn't as good as the other brands I mentioned (this isn't my primary mp3 player) You can probably find a hot deal on a YP-U2. I think Samsung has a new model this year, the YP-U3?
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If all that you are needing is a flash player (its *hard* to find a driverless player that is bigger than 30 gigs), and you primarly run Windows, the Zune is a decent choice.

www.uxcell.com has a lot of inexpensive "MP4" players from China (most have FM tuners), most seem to be driverless, but only have 1-4 gigs of capacity.

The nice thing about MP3 players that do not require drivers is the fact that you never have to check their site periodically for updates. You just copy the files on it, let sync, unplug, and go.
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I have a Creative & I love it. Easy to use & has a radio.
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The Creative Zen line is really good and almost always gets really good reviews. I have the 60gb Zen Vision W, really like it but kind of wish I didn't go so over board and got one of the smaller flash based models.
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I have a RIO MP3 player. I think its called a forge. Holds 2Gb with a Compact Flash card. It's been a solid unit, has a radio, and has been on countless ski trips, road trips, plane rides etc... The audio quality is average, but it gets high marks for ease of use. The negatives are: Goes through batteries kinda quick (I like a fair amount of volume though) and the battery compartment door is starting to fit kinda loosely after being removed so many times. I had an inexpensive Sandisk player that was small and did the job, but I dropped my backpack on a trip and something broke internally on it, so i tossed it.
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I had a hard time choosing one also. After reading a lot of reviews, I ended up getting a Cowan/iAudio G3. Same as a G2 but it has an FM radio(that I never use). It's not the tiniest one out there(but it's still pretty damn tiny) and I'm not crazy about the little joystick control(but it is still very usable). It uses one AA battery and one battery lasts FOREVER. It sounds great! Those two things make it worth keeping around. Mine is only 1GB but you can get the G3 in 2GB. iAudio also has a lot of other models to choose from.

http://www.cowonamerica.com/products/

[edit] One other cool thing about the G3 is that it has an input that will record directly to mp3. I have a cord I can hook to my stereo and record directly from it to mp3 format. Then, if I want to, I can drag the recorded mp3's to my computer. No conversion needed. Another feature I never really use is the voice recorder. You don't have to use any special software with it(although it comes with "JetShell"). . I just drag and drop files onto it like it was a USB flash drive.

[edit 2] After doing some searching, I'm not even sure the G3 is even still available.

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If you want one shaped like a USB stick, you are extremely cheap, I've never seen a good one, my sister got one for Christmas and it is already beginning to fall apart (that's made in china stuff for you). Personally, I would go with the original Zune, 30 Gigs, they have one out now that is an 80 Gig one I believe, my brother has a 30 gig one and it is awesome, WAY better than my ipod
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The Creative Zen line is really good and almost always gets really good reviews. I have the 60gb Zen Vision W, really like it but kind of wish I didn't go so over board and got one of the smaller flash based models.
I have this. I really like it, though 4Gb is a bit small. I need a bigger chip.
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I have this. I really like it, though 4Gb is a bit small. I need a bigger chip.
Creative is advertising a 16GB Zen V Plus but I can't find it for sale anywhere. Wonder whats up wit dat.
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Creative is advertising a 16GB Zen V Plus but I can't find it for sale anywhere. Wonder whats up wit dat.
I ordered my mp3 player right from Creative off of their website. They only show an 8GB Zen V Plus on the site, on sale right now too.

http://us.creative.com/products/prod...&product=15306
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I had a hard time choosing one also. After reading a lot of reviews, I ended up getting a Cowan/iAudio G3. Same as a G2 but it has an FM radio(that I never use). It's not the tiniest one out there(but it's still pretty damn tiny) and I'm not crazy about the little joystick control(but it is still very usable). It uses one AA battery and one battery lasts FOREVER. It sounds great! Those two things make it worth keeping around. Mine is only 1GB but you can get the G3 in 2GB. iAudio also has a lot of other models to choose from.

http://www.cowonamerica.com/products/

[edit] One other cool thing about the G3 is that it has an input that will record directly to mp3. I have a cord I can hook to my stereo and record directly from it to mp3 format. Then, if I want to, I can drag the recorded mp3's to my computer. No conversion needed. Another feature I never really use is the voice recorder. You don't have to use any special software with it(although it comes with "JetShell"). . I just drag and drop files onto it like it was a USB flash drive.

[edit 2] After doing some searching, I'm not even sure the G3 is even still available.
Cowon stuff is good for the reasons you've mentioned.
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..... They only show an 8GB Zen V Plus on the site....
Yeah, that's what I don't understand. Why is a 16gb unit even mentioned on the website if it's not available. Maybe it's just a really new model and will be released soon. I'd like to get my hands on one of them.
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