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    historical accuracy of movies

    anybody know how to find out about the historical accuracy of movies such as moulin rouge and the costumes?
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    Costumes are always historically inaccurate. You can't put a modern woman in a corset when she's never worn one in her life, and expect her to move with it the same way a woman of that day and age would have. Men's costumes have the same problem, but not quite to the same degree.

    It may LOOK accurate, but it's not.

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    so your saying that the costume designer researched everything well, and that the innacuracies were do too the actors not the designer?
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    In general, assume a movie is inaccurate until proven otherwise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbk3000 View Post
    so your saying that the costume designer researched everything well, and that the innacuracies were do too the actors not the designer?
    Designers can research the heck out of the costumes, but whoever's in charge of the production can come in and say:

    "I don't CARE how modest women were in those days, I paid for Angelina Jolie to have a low cut outfit and BY GOLLY I'm going to HAVE a low cut outfit. Just GIVE her the lowcut outfit."

    So, not necessarily the actors, but there are a lot of people in a movie production who have a finger in the pie. Also, standards of beauty have changed over the years. Just because people today may think that Hepzibah Doofus (not a real person, just in case any of you look) is a real stunner now, doesn't mean that she was one 'back in the day'.

    For instance, do you find Clara Bow attractive:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clara_Bow

    How about Mae West?

    http://www.bombshells.com/gallery/west/west_gallery.php

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbk3000 View Post
    anybody know how to find out about the historical accuracy of movies such as moulin rouge and the costumes?
    You know the parts where everyone spontaneously breaks out into song?

    Not historically accurate.

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    The one movie I know of that strove to be realistic was the Great Escape. They had people who were really there supervising to insure accuracy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michigander View Post
    The one movie I know of that strove to be realistic was the Great Escape. They had people who were really there supervising to insure accuracy.
    All movies do that...

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    Quote Originally Posted by East Hill View Post
    Designers can research the heck out of the costumes, but whoever's in charge of the production can come in and say:

    "I don't CARE how modest women were in those days, I paid for Angelina Jolie to have a low cut outfit and BY GOLLY I'm going to HAVE a low cut outfit. Just GIVE her the lowcut outfit."

    So, not necessarily the actors, but there are a lot of people in a movie production who have a finger in the pie. Also, standards of beauty have changed over the years. Just because people today may think that Hepzibah Doofus (not a real person, just in case any of you look) is a real stunner now, doesn't mean that she was one 'back in the day'.

    For instance, do you find Clara Bow attractive:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clara_Bow

    How about Mae West?

    http://www.bombshells.com/gallery/west/west_gallery.php

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    Actually yes, but your point still stands. One has to remember they were both goddesses in their day.

    Oh and I can't view the Mae West link, firewall settings at work.

    And Betty Paige is still hot as h3ll.

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    Blade Runner was historically accurate. But only the directors cut version.

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    Quote Originally Posted by late View Post
    In general, assume a movie is inaccurate until proven otherwise.
    I would agree. I know a few people in the industry. The really funny part is they seem to care the most about things I find the least important. or perhaps I should say least linked to the story. Let's say it is about a politician in 1956. They will ***** a brick over a 1957 chevy being in the film. But not blink at all over adding a campaign manager who did not exist and making him a major character, changing the guys marital status and the district he represents.

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    Across the Universe was very accurate for the years 1966 - 1970. I especially thought the draft board physical was dead on accurate, brought back a flood of memories.
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    Quote Originally Posted by timmyquest View Post
    All movies do that...
    Like "Animal House"?

    How about Terminator?

    [edit] further review shows that I was beat to the punch line. Curses!!! Also, I think "The Great Escape" was an outstanding movie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michigander View Post
    The one movie I know of that strove to be realistic was the Great Escape. They had people who were really there supervising to insure accuracy.
    Let's see.

    In the real world no American actually escaped from the camp. (Almost all Americans had been transfered before the breakout. There were at most a handful left, likely due to country of enlistment bot being the U.S.)

    There was no mad dash on a motorcycle.

    If there had been it sure would not have been on the model shown. (Would have been a nice trick to have a 1960s bike in WW II).

    There are other details like getting the entrances to the tunnels wrong.

    Oh and it seems the murder of about 50 of those who escaped was not a mass killing, but carried out 3 and 4 at a time.

    Typical of the 'trying' for accuracy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timmyquest View Post
    All movies do that...
    Of course movies are fact! Ronald Reagan (before your time) used to quote them in his speeches.
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    Dreadful

    U-571: 2000 movie based (very loosely) on real events, but totally rewritten to appeal to the American audiences, by suggesting that the Americans (rather than the British) captured a vital Enigma machine early in the war (in actuality the event was before the Americans joined the war) and for the negative portrayal of German U-boat crews.


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    What I want to know is how historically accurate National Treasue is . . . slim chance, yes, but any accuracy like the president's book.

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    So inaccurate, they probably misspelled the director's name.
    Slow, but at least still moving...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith99 View Post
    Actually yes, but your point still stands. One has to remember they were both goddesses in their day.

    Oh and I can't view the Mae West link, firewall settings at work.

    And Betty Paige is still hot as h3ll.
    Exactly!

    They were all (and to many, still are) goddesses.

    But if you try to re-create Clara Bow now, you simply won't succeed. We haven't been raised in that time period, and can't just 'be' those people.

    And who would even want to try to re-create Mae West or Betty Paige?

    I know I have often thought that I could try riding a bicycle in a long skirt, but because I have not been raised to handle long, unwieldy lengths of material, it just would not feel or look natural. Still, it's an interesting thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith99 View Post
    Let's see.

    In the real world no American actually escaped from the camp. (Almost all Americans had been transfered before the breakout. There were at most a handful left, likely due to country of enlistment bot being the U.S.)

    There was no mad dash on a motorcycle.

    If there had been it sure would not have been on the model shown. (Would have been a nice trick to have a 1960s bike in WW II).

    There are other details like getting the entrances to the tunnels wrong.

    Oh and it seems the murder of about 50 of those who escaped was not a mass killing, but carried out 3 and 4 at a time.

    Typical of the 'trying' for accuracy.
    Yes some of it was hollywooded, but there was a guy there that was there who insured small details were kept accurate, like tunnel size.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Barker View Post
    Of course movies are fact! Ronald Reagan (before your time) used to quote them in his speeches.
    That's not what i said. Yay, lets turn this into a cyber penis measurement.

    I said all movies hire experts to help achieve a level of accuracy, especially historical driven movies. That doesn't mean they are accurate.

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    Well, they didn't have zippers, and the leather outfits of the Barbarians aren't smelly OR lice infested, so no, not historically accurate
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Stormcrowe View Post
    Well, they didn't have zippers, and the leather outfits of the Barbarians aren't smelly OR lice infested, so no, not historically accurate


    By the way, costume design in movies has been a passion of mine for many years--I have several books on the subject.

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    Quote Originally Posted by East Hill
    Costumes are always historically inaccurate. You can't put a modern woman in a corset when she's never worn one in her life, and expect her to move with it the same way a woman of that day and age would have. Men's costumes have the same problem, but not quite to the same degree.
    Men in corsets do have the same problem.
    Seemingly accurate--at least with respect to men's corsets--and on topic regarding historic accuracy: Topsy Turvy.
    Hard for me to judge, but Marie Antoinette and Amadeus costumes were both convincing.

    Oh, and in a few decades, identified as an accurately-costumed period film will be Priscilla, Queen of the Desert.
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