Cycling and bicycle discussion forums. 
   Click here to join our community Log in to access your Control Panel  


Go Back   > >

Foo Off-Topic chit chat with no general subject.

User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 01-14-08, 01:21 PM   #1
mtnbk3000
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
mtnbk3000's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Bikes:
Posts: 1,072
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
historical accuracy of movies

anybody know how to find out about the historical accuracy of movies such as moulin rouge and the costumes?
mtnbk3000 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-14-08, 01:28 PM   #2
East Hill
Lanky Lass
 
East Hill's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Take a deep breath, and ask--What would Sheldon do?
Bikes: Nishiki Nut! International, Pro, Olympic 12, Sport mixte, and others too numerous to mention.
Posts: 21,514
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Costumes are always historically inaccurate. You can't put a modern woman in a corset when she's never worn one in her life, and expect her to move with it the same way a woman of that day and age would have. Men's costumes have the same problem, but not quite to the same degree.

It may LOOK accurate, but it's not.

East Hill
__________________
___________________________________________________
TRY EMPATHY & HAVE LOVE IN YOUR HEART, PERHAPS I'LL SEE YOU ON THE ROAD...
East Hill is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-14-08, 01:35 PM   #3
mtnbk3000
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
mtnbk3000's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Bikes:
Posts: 1,072
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
so your saying that the costume designer researched everything well, and that the innacuracies were do too the actors not the designer?
mtnbk3000 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-14-08, 01:52 PM   #4
late
Senior Member
 
late's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Southern Maine
Bikes:
Posts: 8,388
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 354 Post(s)
In general, assume a movie is inaccurate until proven otherwise.
late is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-14-08, 02:50 PM   #5
East Hill
Lanky Lass
 
East Hill's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Take a deep breath, and ask--What would Sheldon do?
Bikes: Nishiki Nut! International, Pro, Olympic 12, Sport mixte, and others too numerous to mention.
Posts: 21,514
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by mtnbk3000 View Post
so your saying that the costume designer researched everything well, and that the innacuracies were do too the actors not the designer?
Designers can research the heck out of the costumes, but whoever's in charge of the production can come in and say:

"I don't CARE how modest women were in those days, I paid for Angelina Jolie to have a low cut outfit and BY GOLLY I'm going to HAVE a low cut outfit. Just GIVE her the lowcut outfit."

So, not necessarily the actors, but there are a lot of people in a movie production who have a finger in the pie. Also, standards of beauty have changed over the years. Just because people today may think that Hepzibah Doofus (not a real person, just in case any of you look) is a real stunner now, doesn't mean that she was one 'back in the day'.

For instance, do you find Clara Bow attractive:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clara_Bow

How about Mae West?

http://www.bombshells.com/gallery/west/west_gallery.php

East Hill
__________________
___________________________________________________
TRY EMPATHY & HAVE LOVE IN YOUR HEART, PERHAPS I'LL SEE YOU ON THE ROAD...
East Hill is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-14-08, 04:13 PM   #6
bluebottle1
Kicked out of the Webelos
 
bluebottle1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Bikes:
Posts: 239
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by mtnbk3000 View Post
anybody know how to find out about the historical accuracy of movies such as moulin rouge and the costumes?
You know the parts where everyone spontaneously breaks out into song?

Not historically accurate.
bluebottle1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-14-08, 04:16 PM   #7
Michigander
Senior Member
 
Michigander's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Bikes: Giant ATX 1200, Schwinn Peleton
Posts: 1,724
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 55 Post(s)
The one movie I know of that strove to be realistic was the Great Escape. They had people who were really there supervising to insure accuracy.
__________________
Bring back the Sig Test!


(\__/)
(='.'=)
(")_(")
Michigander is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-14-08, 04:21 PM   #8
timmyquest
Banned.
 
timmyquest's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Woodstock
Bikes:
Posts: 5,761
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Michigander View Post
The one movie I know of that strove to be realistic was the Great Escape. They had people who were really there supervising to insure accuracy.
All movies do that...
timmyquest is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-14-08, 04:31 PM   #9
Keith99
Senior Member
 
Keith99's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Bikes:
Posts: 5,866
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by East Hill View Post
Designers can research the heck out of the costumes, but whoever's in charge of the production can come in and say:

"I don't CARE how modest women were in those days, I paid for Angelina Jolie to have a low cut outfit and BY GOLLY I'm going to HAVE a low cut outfit. Just GIVE her the lowcut outfit."

So, not necessarily the actors, but there are a lot of people in a movie production who have a finger in the pie. Also, standards of beauty have changed over the years. Just because people today may think that Hepzibah Doofus (not a real person, just in case any of you look) is a real stunner now, doesn't mean that she was one 'back in the day'.

For instance, do you find Clara Bow attractive:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clara_Bow

How about Mae West?

http://www.bombshells.com/gallery/west/west_gallery.php

East Hill

Actually yes, but your point still stands. One has to remember they were both goddesses in their day.

Oh and I can't view the Mae West link, firewall settings at work.

And Betty Paige is still hot as h3ll.
Keith99 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-14-08, 04:34 PM   #10
CyLowe97
Up on the Down Side
 
CyLowe97's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Chicago(ish)
Bikes:
Posts: 6,330
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Blade Runner was historically accurate. But only the directors cut version.
CyLowe97 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-14-08, 04:57 PM   #11
Keith99
Senior Member
 
Keith99's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Bikes:
Posts: 5,866
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by late View Post
In general, assume a movie is inaccurate until proven otherwise.
I would agree. I know a few people in the industry. The really funny part is they seem to care the most about things I find the least important. or perhaps I should say least linked to the story. Let's say it is about a politician in 1956. They will ***** a brick over a 1957 chevy being in the film. But not blink at all over adding a campaign manager who did not exist and making him a major character, changing the guys marital status and the district he represents.
Keith99 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-14-08, 05:01 PM   #12
Shifty
Sore saddle cyclist
 
Shifty's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Eugene, OR
Bikes: Road, touring and mountain
Posts: 3,848
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Across the Universe was very accurate for the years 1966 - 1970. I especially thought the draft board physical was dead on accurate, brought back a flood of memories.
Shifty is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-14-08, 06:58 PM   #13
StupidlyBrave 
Chepooka
 
StupidlyBrave's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: South Central PA
Bikes: 1990 Trek 1400 7spd; 2001 Litespeed Arenberg 10 speed
Posts: 1,167
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by timmyquest View Post
All movies do that...
Like "Animal House"?

How about Terminator?

[edit] further review shows that I was beat to the punch line. Curses!!! Also, I think "The Great Escape" was an outstanding movie.
StupidlyBrave is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-14-08, 07:02 PM   #14
Keith99
Senior Member
 
Keith99's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Bikes:
Posts: 5,866
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Michigander View Post
The one movie I know of that strove to be realistic was the Great Escape. They had people who were really there supervising to insure accuracy.
Let's see.

In the real world no American actually escaped from the camp. (Almost all Americans had been transfered before the breakout. There were at most a handful left, likely due to country of enlistment bot being the U.S.)

There was no mad dash on a motorcycle.

If there had been it sure would not have been on the model shown. (Would have been a nice trick to have a 1960s bike in WW II).

There are other details like getting the entrances to the tunnels wrong.

Oh and it seems the murder of about 50 of those who escaped was not a mass killing, but carried out 3 and 4 at a time.

Typical of the 'trying' for accuracy.
Keith99 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-14-08, 07:18 PM   #15
Ex Pres
#39
 
Ex Pres's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: the 35223 (AL)
Bikes:
Posts: 6,260
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 11 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by timmyquest View Post
All movies do that...
Of course movies are fact! Ronald Reagan (before your time) used to quote them in his speeches.
Ex Pres is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-14-08, 07:19 PM   #16
Wil Davis
Curmudgeon
 
Wil Davis's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Nausea, New Hamster
Bikes: (see http://wildavis.smugmug.com/Bikes) Bianchi Veloce (2005), Nishiki Cascade (1992), Schwinn Super Sport (1983)
Posts: 1,572
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Dreadful

U-571: 2000 movie based (very loosely) on real events, but totally rewritten to appeal to the American audiences, by suggesting that the Americans (rather than the British) captured a vital Enigma machine early in the war (in actuality the event was before the Americans joined the war) and for the negative portrayal of German U-boat crews.


Brilliant

Das Boot: 1981 movie based (very accurately) on real events reported by a war correspondent on the German submarine U-96.


For further information on a couple of events common to both films, see Laconia Incident.

- Wil
Wil Davis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-14-08, 07:25 PM   #17
fuzzbox
Your imaginary friend.
 
fuzzbox's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Wandering aimlessly.
Bikes: A sweet Quamen ATL custom, GT Mach 2
Posts: 2,210
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
What I want to know is how historically accurate National Treasue is . . . slim chance, yes, but any accuracy like the president's book.
__________________

Every passing minute is another chance to turn it all around.
fuzzbox is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-14-08, 08:07 PM   #18
Indyv8a
Senior Member
 
Indyv8a's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Reisterstown Maryland
Bikes: Austro-Daimler Olympian Trek 800, Giant OCR C3
Posts: 427
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
So inaccurate, they probably misspelled the director's name.
Indyv8a is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-14-08, 08:22 PM   #19
East Hill
Lanky Lass
 
East Hill's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Take a deep breath, and ask--What would Sheldon do?
Bikes: Nishiki Nut! International, Pro, Olympic 12, Sport mixte, and others too numerous to mention.
Posts: 21,514
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Keith99 View Post
Actually yes, but your point still stands. One has to remember they were both goddesses in their day.

Oh and I can't view the Mae West link, firewall settings at work.

And Betty Paige is still hot as h3ll.
Exactly!

They were all (and to many, still are) goddesses.

But if you try to re-create Clara Bow now, you simply won't succeed. We haven't been raised in that time period, and can't just 'be' those people.

And who would even want to try to re-create Mae West or Betty Paige?

I know I have often thought that I could try riding a bicycle in a long skirt, but because I have not been raised to handle long, unwieldy lengths of material, it just would not feel or look natural. Still, it's an interesting thought.

East Hill
__________________
___________________________________________________
TRY EMPATHY & HAVE LOVE IN YOUR HEART, PERHAPS I'LL SEE YOU ON THE ROAD...
East Hill is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-14-08, 09:34 PM   #20
Michigander
Senior Member
 
Michigander's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Bikes: Giant ATX 1200, Schwinn Peleton
Posts: 1,724
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 55 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Keith99 View Post
Let's see.

In the real world no American actually escaped from the camp. (Almost all Americans had been transfered before the breakout. There were at most a handful left, likely due to country of enlistment bot being the U.S.)

There was no mad dash on a motorcycle.

If there had been it sure would not have been on the model shown. (Would have been a nice trick to have a 1960s bike in WW II).

There are other details like getting the entrances to the tunnels wrong.

Oh and it seems the murder of about 50 of those who escaped was not a mass killing, but carried out 3 and 4 at a time.

Typical of the 'trying' for accuracy.
Yes some of it was hollywooded, but there was a guy there that was there who insured small details were kept accurate, like tunnel size.
__________________
Bring back the Sig Test!


(\__/)
(='.'=)
(")_(")
Michigander is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-14-08, 09:47 PM   #21
timmyquest
Banned.
 
timmyquest's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Woodstock
Bikes:
Posts: 5,761
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Barker View Post
Of course movies are fact! Ronald Reagan (before your time) used to quote them in his speeches.
That's not what i said. Yay, lets turn this into a cyber penis measurement.

I said all movies hire experts to help achieve a level of accuracy, especially historical driven movies. That doesn't mean they are accurate.
timmyquest is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-14-08, 09:48 PM   #22
Tom Stormcrowe
Out fishing with Annie on his lap, a cigar in one hand and a ginger ale in the other, watching the sunset.
 
Tom Stormcrowe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: South Florida
Bikes: Techna Wheelchair and a Sun EZ 3 Recumbent Trike
Posts: 16,120
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Well, they didn't have zippers, and the leather outfits of the Barbarians aren't smelly OR lice infested, so no, not historically accurate
__________________
. “He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.”- Fredrick Nietzsche

"We can judge the heart of a man by his treatment of animals." - Immanuel Kant
Tom Stormcrowe is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-14-08, 09:52 PM   #23
East Hill
Lanky Lass
 
East Hill's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Take a deep breath, and ask--What would Sheldon do?
Bikes: Nishiki Nut! International, Pro, Olympic 12, Sport mixte, and others too numerous to mention.
Posts: 21,514
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom Stormcrowe View Post
Well, they didn't have zippers, and the leather outfits of the Barbarians aren't smelly OR lice infested, so no, not historically accurate


By the way, costume design in movies has been a passion of mine for many years--I have several books on the subject.

East Hill
__________________
___________________________________________________
TRY EMPATHY & HAVE LOVE IN YOUR HEART, PERHAPS I'LL SEE YOU ON THE ROAD...
East Hill is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-14-08, 09:58 PM   #24
marqueemoon
or tarckeemoon, depending
 
marqueemoon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: the pesto of cities
Bikes: Davidson Impulse, Merckx Titanium AX, Bruce Gordon Rock & Road, Cross Check custom build, On-One Il Pomino, Shawver Cycles cross, Zion 737, Mercian Vincitore, Brompton S1L, Charge Juicer
Posts: 7,020
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Rock n' roll movies are the worst. So many non-period instruments.
marqueemoon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-15-08, 02:38 AM   #25
Seamless
Peddler
 
Seamless's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Bikes: Cannondale Road Warrior 800 & H400
Posts: 337
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by East Hill
Costumes are always historically inaccurate. You can't put a modern woman in a corset when she's never worn one in her life, and expect her to move with it the same way a woman of that day and age would have. Men's costumes have the same problem, but not quite to the same degree.
Men in corsets do have the same problem.
Seemingly accurate--at least with respect to men's corsets--and on topic regarding historic accuracy: Topsy Turvy.
Hard for me to judge, but Marie Antoinette and Amadeus costumes were both convincing.

Oh, and in a few decades, identified as an accurately-costumed period film will be Priscilla, Queen of the Desert.
Seamless is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 05:29 PM.