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Old 01-19-08, 11:37 AM   #1
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Rottweiler Advice

I want a Rottie. I need advice. What to look for?

I have all the books. I want advice from real people .. with Rotties. Newspaper? How much is reasonable? I know breeders who breed "champions" but I don't care to show them. I just want a family companion. Should I want a champion breed?
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Save a life.
Go to the pound.
I did...
Now if I can get her to bring the RIGHT spaner
life will be good.
Seriously, a very smart dog I think she just
brings the wrong one to tease me )
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I want a Rottie. I need advice. What to look for?

I have all the books. I want advice from real people .. with Rotties. Newspaper? How much is reasonable? I know breeders who breed "champions" but I don't care to show them. I just want a family companion. Should I want a champion breed?
while i've never had one, my best friend had the most amazing rottweiler ever. he was one of the sweetest damn dogs i've ever met. fwiw, my friend 'rescued' him.

what i've gleaned from him, these would be two things to look out for:

if you're looking for a 'family companion', then obviously you're going to want to avoid breeders who have rottweilers with aggressive tendencies.

hips can be a problem, so keep an eye out for that.

make sure you're well versed in how to train the dog. s/he should be well aware that YOU are the alfa dog, and any aggressiveness on the dog's part should be nipped at the bud.
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My only fear with rescuing Rotties is that you won't have a clear picture of the pedigree/history. How good is the dog around infants? Although this may be imagined fear at best .. I should give the pound a try.
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My only fear with rescuing Rotties is that you won't have a clear picture of the pedigree/history. How good is the dog around infants? Although this may be imagined fear at best .. I should give the pound a try.
if you have infants, then i'd avoid the pound, and do some intensive research into breeders.

avoid puppy mill breeders. avoid breeders of aggressive rottweilers. ask LOTS of questions.
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Yeah, that's where I'm leaning (professional breeders). I'm also interested in what the "market" price is for pups from reputable breeders with champion pedigrees, for example. The few I've been eyeing don't give a price range, but give tons of other information .. like family trees with pictures of sires with gold medals around their necks. I feel like I'm window shopping for Maybachs. If I have to ask the price, perhaps I'm not ready.

Good info so far though, botto.
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There is a way to get a Rottweiler, not spend huge amounts of money, give a needy dog a home, and have people pre-screen for aggression & health. Try a Rottweiler rescue organization.
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Ooooh. Thanks!
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Ooooh. Thanks!
One question: how old are the kids in your house?

The reason why I ask, is that a rescue dog, and kids can be a tough mix. My brother got a rescue 'lab' from a lab rescue www. His in-laws got one at the same time, from the same website. Both needed a lot of attention.

While I'm fully aware of the fact that Rottweilers get a bad rap from the general public, I'd be extremely wary of bringing in a rescue dog to a household with toddlers.
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New born. And that's my dilemma .. if I get anything other than a Rottie, I feel like I'd be compromising; All the ones I know are nice/friendly.

Maybe a chocolate lab as an alternative.
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I completely agree with you, botto. A rescue organization that is on the ball will actually have foster homes who evaluate the dogs. They will recruit foster families who are very familiar with the breed and who know warning signs and red flags in a dog's behavior. It's their goal to find permanent homes for these dogs, and they do not want them coming back if they can at all help it.

Also, very good breeders will always take a dog back if a buyer can no longer keep it for whatever reason, as they do not want them to end up in pounds. Oftentimes it's due to life circumstances like divorce, death, financial, health, and not because of the actual dog. Breeders want to find good homes for these dogs and you can sometimes find a good match that way.

Frank, you might contact a rescue society and let them know your circumstances. The worst thing that will happen is they will not have an appropriate dog. Since they tend to be very knowledgeable of the breeds they rescue, they'll be able to give you sound and honest advice.
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One thing is that if you aren't really good training dogs - now would be a good time to learn. Our son has a cross between a mastif, rottweiler and pitbull. Pretty close to 100 lbs and a very pretty dog. Also, very good natured, incredibly. Not the brightest bulb on the planet, but then again we have a Cocker Spaniel who is very smart so perhaps we are spoiled.

Gretel (the mix) is very good at learning and has no question who is boss - but I would sure not want to have her mad at me. It is very important that you understand how to train a dog and especially, how not to let it get away with rebellion. After rebellion comes dominance if you didn't know it. On large breeds that can be dangerous, you never want to get there.

The issue with dogs like this is that not knowing how to handle a dog is where the problems come from. It might be cool to have a big dog like a Rottie - and I would agree. But it comes with a price and that price is knowledge. Sort of like dealing with a spirited horse - lots of fun to ride - but you have to be careful in the training too.
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One other thing on dog choice (and any animal for that matter). Dogs go by instinct more than anything. For example, I think our Cocker is really smart - the truth is for a dog he is smart, but more importantly, his instinct matches my needs very well. He is a great companion, very territory and not friendly with strangers. He doesn't like getting far away from me so when I am inside the farms, I don't have to worry about him wandering off. He will also play catch until your arm falls off.

Almost all of this is instinct of an animal that was bred to be a companion for bird hunters. Everything he does well is because of his breeding.

Many people hate Cocker Spaniels because they bought them because they were pretty, not for their charateristics. Bad move. Put a Cocker inside the house alone and you don't have a house. Hyper is a understatement. Gretel the monster is no problem inside a house though she is 3 times bigger. She just lays there like a big carpet.

So, get a Rottweiler because you want their behavior, not because you like how they look. Otherwise you could find yourself trying to train against instinct, which is a battle and never full takes.

Animals are not computers that you can just download a new program - as long as their hardwired program matches well your needs - all will be good.
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Thanks for the inputs. I don't think I was ever enamored with the breed just for the looks; it was the intelligence and the size that attracted me. But yes, I have read up lots on the breed and the little nuances around training them; will be sure to heed your words too.

Now if I can just find a pup with gentle parents that won't cost me an arm a leg. Maybe I should simply just change my paradigm. I remember when I first went in to get a road bike as an adult. I thought $300 would buy me a decent [new] bike with all the fixings ..

$1200 later, I had a starter bike with all the necessary gear. I'm starting to get a feeling selecting a dog might be the same. So, perhaps, those breeders aren't really all that expensive, I mean in the grand scheme of things. Priceless even ..
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One thing is that if you aren't really good training dogs - now would be a good time to learn. ...

It is very important that you understand how to train a dog and especially, how not to let it get away with rebellion. After rebellion comes dominance if you didn't know it. On large breeds that can be dangerous, you never want to get there.

The issue with dogs like this is that not knowing how to handle a dog is where the problems come from. It might be cool to have a big dog like a Rottie - and I would agree. But it comes with a price and that price is knowledge. Sort of like dealing with a spirited horse - lots of fun to ride - but you have to be careful in the training too.
I love tougher breeds, but I would be hesitant to recommend bringing one into a family with tiny people if you aren't certain you're up to the task. You can make this work, but it will take lots of time and effort. The problem with some breeds is that the cost of screwups could be very high.
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I have always had big dogs. I perfer Dobies but I have a border collie/lab mix that I saved from execution at the pound. He has turned out to one of the best dogs i have ever had. But anyway, back to the purebreeds. I think if you are not going for a show dog find a reputable family breeder. I like to see puppies with kids when I go to the breeders. Socialization early is important. Training them to do simple things like sit, lay and stay makes life much eaiser later. I like to be reasonably sure my big dogs have never been hit by anyone. Dogs should not shy away from you. I personally perfer the runt or an off color puppy, usually can talk the price down a bit and you dont want to show the dog anyway. I love rotties too, if it was not for dobies I would have one. Just name it something worthy of its breed, like Thor or something. Our neighbor had one named Heidie. Ugh.
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I love tougher breeds, but I would be hesitant to recommend bringing one into a family with tiny people if you aren't certain you're up to the task. You can make this work, but it will take lots of time and effort. The problem with some breeds is that the cost of screwups could be very high.
I have raised four kids with three Dobies, never as much as an inappropriate growl. From the dogs at least, the kids, well that is another story. Rotties have at least as protective personalities as dobies and you would never have anyone messing with the kids as long as the dog is alive. That was why I was talking about dogs raised with kids and never abused. If it was just me and my wife I would not mind a bit rescuing big dogs, even abused.
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I had a Rottie that I found at a junkyard, little pup she was, I bought her home to my wife and kids (4 and 8 at the time) my kids were rough with her but not enough to hurt her, we had her for almost five years in which she became part of the family, she played with the kids all day even when she was as big as a love seat! she played a game in the kiddie pool where my daughters wiggled their toes under water and Jazzy would look at them, close her eyes and take a breath and dunk her head completely under water and nibble their toes! she loved being in the yard but also loved it when I opened the door to let her in, she would run as fast as she could slidding on the linoleum floor! shed run into the living room from the yard full speed then stop and duck down and slide right under the coffee table! one day she failed to realize that she was the size of godzilla and off she went!...SWOOSH! full speed! stopped and ducked down....KABLAM! the coffee table went flying as did everything on top of it! she was the sweetest dog we ever had but had no problem trying to kill any stranger that came near my kids! I really truly loved her, but she got sick one dat and I spent almost $3000.00 getting her well, it involved a complete histerectomy she came home and healed up well and was very happy and healthy for about three months, then she started acting sick again, didnt want to eat, stopped walking, so I took her back to the vet where they told us that she had cancer and arthritis in her hips, we took her in to be "put down" when we could no longer control her pain very sad day it was. have a geat dog today but will never have another dog like Jazzy she was def the best dog ever I have never heard a bad story about Rottweilers, on the contrary, Ive always heard how great they are around kids, so take donnambs advice as it is great advise.
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Rotties have a weird habit of being able to push their rear legs totally behind them when they sleep. They are the only dog breed I know that does that.
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I'm a dog lover and I've had labs, rotties, goldens, and a lab/pitbull mix. If I were a percentage playing person I'd get a lab rather than a rottie if I had a small child. Dogs are bred for certain characteristics and rotties are more aggressive than labs, on average. Every dog is different but certain breeds are more inclined to certain behaviors. Unfortunately it only takes one accident to ruin stuff.

Actually I like my lab/pit mix (rescue dog) better than any I have had. Lab friendly, pit calm and smart.
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Rotties have a weird habit of being able to push their rear legs totally behind them when they sleep. They are the only dog breed I know that does that.
Our Cocker Spaniel does that too. He looks like a bear skin rug. Very funny. He does it a lot because the ceramic is cool and it is the best way to fully contact it. He also does it when he can't do something he wants to do - sort of like pouting.

At times he will be completely awake and the only think that is moving is his big brown eyes. Pay attention and the tail starts to wag...
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Well, I could do the Chocolate Lab now and then get the Rottie later ..
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I'm sending a link to this thread to a friend of mine and his girlfriend who have their shtuff down when it comes to rotties. I camped with their two babes and they were awesome!

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I'm sending a link to this thread to a friend of mine and his girlfriend who have their shtuff down when it comes to rotties. I camped with their two babes and they were awesome!

Can't wait to hear from them. Tough choice. You hear so much either way about Rotties. I think they get a bad rap for no reason. They are big dogs and folks train them to act as imposing as they can. In my readings, the consensus is that, by nature, they can be the most gentle of breeds ..
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Can't wait to hear from them. Tough choice. You hear so much either way about Rotties. I think they get a bad rap for no reason. They are big dogs and folks train them to act as imposing as they can. In my readings, the consensus is that, by nature, they can be the most gentle of breeds ..
Not sure where "upstate NY" is for you, but so is he. He had a female (not sure how old) and he just purchased - < 1 yr ago from breeder and this dog is a big, beautiful boy! Lotsa dog!
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