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Old 01-21-08, 05:33 PM   #1
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DAMN MicroSoft. DAMN Windows. DAMN PCs. DAMN IE

the computer's condition turned terminal a few weeks ago. not a virus, because it kept passing all the virus checks. it finally died on this business trip. you'd think 40,000 allegedly intelligent people in washington would be able to device a machine that would actually work for a while. but you'd be wrong. i've had it with microsoft's incompetent products. i've had it with IE locking up and causing me to shut down. i've had it with viruses and patches and fixes and work-arounds. i'm going to the dark side. apple, here i come. you listening, pcad? i'm going to the apple store tomorrow and buy something, ANYTHING that will work. geez, it can't be worse than this cr@p. and if it doesn't work, i'm comin' after YOU, pcaddy!

remember when computers were fun? not any more. the computer industry killed all the fun of these things. now they're just a necessary evil. i've gotten where i hate computers

hurry up and respond to this before your computer crashes

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or FDisc>Install BSD
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Linux.

When I heard about all the trouble with Vista, I bought a new computer with Linspere 5.0 to start getting the hang of it. I will never use a Windows OS beyond 2000 Pro
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i'm still on xp. well, i was. they've lost me as a customer. i'm thinking real hard about that macbook air. that thing just looks too cool. only problem is it looks like you have to pay extra for the CD player. i refuse to do that
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You can install Linux or look at putting Mac X Leopard. I am really looking hard at that so if I really have to run a windows program, it will be seemless.
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i've gotten where i hate computers
I reached this point years ago. Switching to MacOS/Mac OS X and Linux pushed back the seething hatred a bit, but even so, computing is rarely fun anymore.

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Agreed. 2000 was bearable most of the time. XP made me want to kill things while pulling my hair out. I haven't so much as glanced at the screen of a computer running Longhorn. No thanks. I value what little sanity I have left too much to subject myself to that.
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i don't know a thing about leopards or linuxes or any other damn 'puter stuff. i'm not computer illiterate by any means, but that stuff is deeper than i know/care. all i know is that for $1500 a damn machine should work out of the box, and keep working for 10-20 years. apparently that's too much to ask of microsoft.

i looked at moving to apple when i bought this current computer, and finally decided not to because everything is written for pc's. and since i don't understand this stuff, and don't WANT to understand this stuff, i figured i'd better just stick with the mainstream junk. but i'm just not willing to do even that any more. i've grown to dislike computers so much that all i do on them is the internet, some word documents, my financial spreadsheets, a couple of pictures, a phone program (skype; i recommend it highly), and itunes. that can't be too much to ask of apple, can it? or can it?
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i don't know a thing about leopards or linuxes or any other damn 'puter stuff. i'm not computer illiterate by any means, but that stuff is deeper than i know/care. all i know is that for $1500 a damn machine should work out of the box, and keep working for 10-20 years. apparently that's too much to ask of microsoft.
10-20 years...good god you are dreaming. Unless the IT industry hits a huge wall of stagnation that doesn't happen anywhere. This would be a very dull industry if things could last that long. Change is good. If I get 5 years out of a product, the roi has been astronomical. Then I tend to retire them into fun boxes, linux or other variations of play toys. But 20 years is REALLY pushing the limits, that would mean I would still have a 1 gig freaking harddrive. Thank god the industry doesn't follow that mantra.

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i looked at moving to apple when i bought this current computer, and finally decided not to because everything is written for pc's. and since i don't understand this stuff, and don't WANT to understand this stuff, i figured i'd better just stick with the mainstream junk. but i'm just not willing to do even that any more. i've grown to dislike computers so much that all i do on them is the internet, some word documents, my financial spreadsheets, a couple of pictures, a phone program (skype; i recommend it highly), and itunes. that can't be too much to ask of apple, can it? or can it?
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and itunes is made for apple

Sounds like you are definitely in the market.

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Old 01-21-08, 06:49 PM   #10
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not a virus, because it kept passing all the virus checks.
Do you keep your virus definitions up to date?

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it finally died on this business trip. you'd think 40,000 allegedly intelligent people in washington would be able to device a machine that would actually work for a while.
Except that Microsoft doesn't design the machines, just the software.

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but you'd be wrong. i've had it with microsoft's incompetent products.
Aside from IE, which software is giving you problems? What problems in particular? You state that the problem wasn't viral... fine. We'll go with that assumption. Did you ever check any system logs to find out what the problem was, or did you just run your virus scanner again and then determine that the whole machine went kaplooey and it was all Microsoft's fault?

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i've had it with IE locking up and causing me to shut down.
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i've had it with viruses and patches and fixes and work-arounds.
Auto updaters for your virus definitions and OS should make these into background operations. I run 2 Windows machines (XP Pro and Vista Home Premium) and the most that I have to interact with my virus scanning and patch updater software is a single click of the mouse to reboot my machine after the automatic installations.

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remember when computers were fun?
They still are, if you maintain them properly.

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hurry up and respond to this before your computer crashes
Maybe I'm wrong, but I tend to equate the "Windows sux! Screw Microsoft" rants with general lack of upkeep. Trash folder with 20,000 items in it, a zillion cookies, dangly bits from uninstalled programs all over the registry. A computer is like a bike: If you maintain it well, it should last you for a very long time. If you don't, expect it to up and die on you when you need it the most.
I'm writing this email from a machine that is a mish-mash of parts that are between 7 and 10 years old, running Windows XP Pro, and crash/freeze free for longer than I can remember.
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Do you keep your virus definitions up to date?


Except that Microsoft doesn't design the machines, just the software.


Aside from IE, which software is giving you problems? What problems in particular? You state that the problem wasn't viral... fine. We'll go with that assumption. Did you ever check any system logs to find out what the problem was, or did you just run your virus scanner again and then determine that the whole machine went kaplooey and it was all Microsoft's fault?


Then use a different browser.


Auto updaters for your virus definitions and OS should make these into background operations. I run 2 Windows machines (XP Pro and Vista Home Premium) and the most that I have to interact with my virus scanning and patch updater software is a single click of the mouse to reboot my machine after the automatic installations.


They still are, if you maintain them properly.


Maybe I'm wrong, but I tend to equate the "Windows sux! Screw Microsoft" rants with general lack of upkeep. Trash folder with 20,000 items in it, a zillion cookies, dangly bits from uninstalled programs all over the registry. A computer is like a bike: If you maintain it well, it should last you for a very long time. If you don't, expect it to up and die on you when you need it the most.
I'm writing this email from a machine that is a mish-mash of parts that are between 7 and 10 years old, running Windows XP Pro, and crash/freeze free for longer than I can remember.
I agree with all of the above. I'm on only my second computer in the last decade. The only reason it's my second is because I stupidly bought one of those word processor, slim case, pc's from dell that don't allow any expansion; ie external video cards, hard drives, etc.. Now I'm on my 2nd Dell, and still no problems. BTW, it only cost me $600 with the 19" LCD monitor 4 years ago.

The machine I could build for the same price of some overpriced mac would be ridiculous. Does Mac make servers? I can't imagine how much those cost.

I don't even bother with having to click on update virus'. It runs a system scan at 3 AM while I sleep, and restarts itself. I do visit some pretty insecure sites too. I don't download something if I don't trust it though. That's just stupid user error. I'd like to know how all these people getting virus' get them. If I receive an email from someone you can generally tell if it's too generic to be a genuine email. A simple reply of, "Did you actually send this or is this a virus," will weed out plenty of BS.
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My old Dell desktop and Compaq laptop running XP and using IE have given me no problems. What specific problems are you having?
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If you drive a car through a pile of broken glass and blow your tires, are you going to blame the car manufacturer for making a defective product?

I've been running windows products for years upon years now with never a problem. Just keep yourself informed, be careful where you browse, and keep your OS and AV up to date.
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I've been running XP for over two years haven't had a single OS related problem. Actually, I don't recall having any trouble, except with getting outlook to work with Gmail...
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I feel you pain. The laptop i have has Vista, and Toshiba wouldn't make drivers for XP. The laptop I had XP on died last night. Hard drive isn't corrupted, just doesn't spin up. Now I have my Linux on a flash drive.
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stop cruisin' the porn sites...and try a different virus scan. try Kaspersky's 30 day free trial.
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Microsoft>Apple, I'm not a Microsoft shill, but still beats the overpriced Apple. Still running XP on a 6 year old computer. I had a 12 year old Pentium I computer that ran on Window 98 quite well, until it couldn't keep up with the most latest browsers and its application, thus I retired it.

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I recently bought a laptop (HP DV2600 series) with Vista and HP no longer had XP drivers, I poke around the support forums and manage to get all the drivers I need to run XP on a "design for Vista" computer.

Try the Toshiba support forums, see if you can find all the necessary drivers for your laptop.
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I don't really have any problems with XP on this computer. It uses way more resources than Linux, but that's my only gripe. If I didn't play games and I could justify the price, I would go Apple. I just can't justify paying 2x the price for the same hardware.
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I think they're just cruising the wrong porn sites.
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all i know is that for $1500 a damn machine should work out of the box, and keep working for 10-20 years. apparently that's too much to ask of microsoft.
Well, to be fair, it's too much to ask of any computing product, PC, Mac, or Linux. (See many people runing a Mac SE lately?) If this is the bar below which you're going to go postal on us, then you best not use any computer. PCs are powerful but very complex devices, the standards are evolving rapidly, people install and do all sorts of bizarre things with them, and they're sold in a ruthlessly cost-competitive marketplace. This is not a refrigerator (or even a TV) you're buying here. Be a little more reasonable, and you'll generate a lot less stomach acid.

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What specific problems are you having?
I think it's a serious case of PEBKAC.
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I'd hate to be stuck using a 10-20 year old computer. But my present computer is over 5, and has worked just fine all those years (it's a Dell 8200 running WindowsXP). Printers have died and been replaced a couple of times, it has a new LCD monitor (not that anything was wrong with the old CRT...I just wanted something bigger), and I've bought it a 500 Gbyte external HD, but the computer itself has caused no problems at all. I use Norton anti-virus, and have never had a problem with infections...it's reported a couple of viruses, but both were in temporary files only, and never affected the computer's operation, and I occasionally get a message that a worm has been blocked.

Have I just been lucky?

PS About that external HD: I compared it to one we bought for our department's minicomputer at work back in the 1980s. Things have changed in 20 years or so! My new HD is about 1/300 the physical size, cost 1/150 as much, and holds 4000 times as much data.
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Smoke, might be able to get that thing strategically placed on the range for you and let someone put a 500 pounder or 30 mm through it. If all else fails, just blow the f'in thing up.
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