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Old 01-22-08, 05:56 PM   #26
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Weird. My lovely spouse comes wandering in the door, "Heath Ledger died."
My response, "Who is Heath Ledger?"
"The guy from knight movie..remember...(launches into the Queen song) we will, we will rock you."
"Oh, that guy!....and your point is?"
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Well, none of my female relatives have bothered me with this trivia. Perhaps it is just the women of your family?
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He still matters even if the thread is about why he doesn't matter. He garnered a thread.

On a cycling(ish) forum .. weird.
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He still matters even if the thread is about why he doesn't matter. He garnered a thread.

On a cycling(ish) forum .. weird.
Not sure why it took 29 posts to be called out on this little gem of a fact that crossed my mind moments before i hist "submit post"
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Theoretical scenario:

One of your family members dies and you tell the people here at foo.
People respond to the thread with: Who is that? Why do I care about this crap?

Makes those people sound like a real dickheads, huh? Now go back and read your posts.

Just because they are a celebrity doesn't mean that they aren't people.
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And in other news, Princess Diana died. When the hell did this happen? How come nobody told me?
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One was my mother
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Umm. I wouldn't call the poster of THIS a woman.

http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=381460
I would...just as much of a woman as I am, but hasn't posed for Playboy.
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Theoretical scenario:

One of your family members dies and you tell the people here at foo.
People respond to the thread with: Who is that? Why do I care about this crap?

Makes those people sound like a real dickheads, huh? Now go back and read your posts.

Just because they are a celebrity doesn't mean that they aren't people.
I don't agree. People die daily. People who have led much worse lives and never got the chance to truly enjoy a day die every day. People in this country and in others. We don't hear about them and for the most part we aren't interested in them. Celebs get a lot of attention in life some of it desired (most) and some of it not. Why is it, though, that we are suppose to break down and shed a tear everytime a celeberty dies? Are they somehow more significant than the other million people that died today? How about the mother who died in labor an hour ago? What about that 10 year old in some war torn African country who starved to death? How about that 13 year old who grew up in the drug torn ghetto and was shot by a stray bullet in that drive by last week?

Where is the sympathy for these stories? The fact is, we as a society don't have time and we as functioning humans don't have the mental capacity to handle each and every death...yet we are suppose to constantly express sympathy to individuals who have had splendid opportunities to do and see more than many can ever dream of?

Heath died young, only a few years older than myself and that is a real shame. If his mother, or friend, or someone who actually cared and loved him spoke to me about it, i would express my deepest sympathy, just as i did to one of my best friends yesterday on his mothers birthday, who passed away at 58 just 3 weeks prior. Did the world take a moment to stop on her behalf? No. Should they? Probably not...

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To reiterate, you are comparing apples to oranges. The many people on this message board that i talk to daily have a connection to me, albeit somewhat superficial and somewhat insignificant, but there is a true human to human connection. I personally don't have that with Heath and i don't think any of you do either. If i'm wrong, i apologize...
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I don't agree. People die daily. People who have led much worse lives and never got the chance to truly enjoy a day die every day. < .. snipped good stuff .. >
Funny, I wrote the same line and was about to go on a similar rant but deleted it ..

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Now if this thread would just die. We won't be sad.
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To reiterate, you are comparing apples to oranges. The many people on this message board that i talk to daily have a connection to me, albeit somewhat superficial and somewhat insignificant, but there is a true human to human connection. I personally don't have that with Heath and i don't think any of you do either. If i'm wrong, i apologize...
I didn't say you have to have sympathy for this person, just not be a total jerk about it by calling it 'crap'. That's all.

You don't have to go out of your way to offer condolences, but to go out of your way to comment on the insignificance of another person just seems wrong.

And guess what (you should know this being a psychology major): a lot of people DO THINK they have a connection with celebrities. Not saying that anyone on these boards does, but they wouldn't be making news otherwise.
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Hmmm, well, i think you mistakenly took "crap" to mean, specifically, Heath Ledger dieing. To me it was simply an opportunity to question the infatuation with the crap that you can read in US weekly, people, or watch on E!
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^^Not sure this thread was about the insignificance of the dude. I take it to be about how some people get so wrapped up in the lives (and death) of celebrities.

"crap," I don't think was referring to the actor himself. But I could be wrong. I'm not going to read the rest of the thread to confirm. I'm tired.
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And guess what (you should know this being a psychology major): a lot of people DO THINK they have a connection with celebrities. Not saying that anyone on these boards does, but they wouldn't be making news otherwise.
Why should i know this being a psychology major? I've never studied the relationship to celebrities in any of my psychological endeavorers. I mean, it's a BA in psychology...

It's kind of like how me having a history degree means to my friends that i should know the exact time and date of every birth of every historically significant figure. Just aint how the cookie crumbles
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Why should i know this being a psychology major? I've never studied the relationship to celebrities in any of my psychological endeavorers. I mean, it's a BA in psychology...

It's kind of like how me having a history degree means to my friends that i should know the exact time and date of every birth of every historically significant figure. Just aint how the cookie crumbles
Just seems like general knowledge and that someone with a psychology background would be able to grasp the concept. Guess not.
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Why should i know this being a psychology major? I've never studied the relationship to celebrities in any of my psychological endeavorers. I mean, it's a BA in psychology...

It's kind of like how me having a history degree means to my friends that i should know the exact time and date of every birth of every historically significant figure. Just aint how the cookie crumbles
I'd ask for a refund of my tuition if I didn't know those birth dates .. but that's just me.
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I know that you may have started the thread with a certain line of thought but some of the responses seem to veer off a bit. My original post wasn't actually targeting you specifically in creating this post so I apologize if it came off like that (but you were the first to respond to me).
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Just seems like general knowledge and that someone with a psychology background would be able to grasp the concept. Guess not.
Which concept is this exactly? You can't call a dude out and be so vague at the same time, that just wont cut it i'm afraid.

You do realize that there are many many fields of psychology right? The primary focus of my study, thus far, has been on cognitive and biological psychology. Would you like to know how a neuron fires? How about why THC has the effects that it does? Perhaps you would like to read my essay on the connection of attention and the cerebellum?
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I don't think it's that people are callous. I think we are just conditioned to expect certain responses .. most responses are basically "who is this guy?" or "why should I grieve?"

Those are hardly callous. Indifferent, perhaps. Truly ignorant, for some (some people don't own a t.v.). I wouldn't expect anyone to care that my grandfather passed and I had been away for years .. but then he wasn't famous.
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Which concept is this exactly? You can't call a dude out and be so vague at the same time, that just wont cut it i'm afraid.

You do realize that there are many many fields of psychology right? The primary focus of my study, thus far, has been on cognitive and biological psychology. Would you like to know how a neuron fires? How about why THC has the effects that it does? Perhaps you would like to read my essay on the connection of attention and the cerebellum?
I wasn't actually 'calling you out' but you are getting so darn defensive so I'll explain.

Actually, I thought I already explained it saying that it was general knowledge and that someone that knows psychology might have a better understanding of it.

It's like saying "the earth has a molten core" and expecting a geologist, of any specific discipline, to have more in-depth knowledge on that particular aspect of the subject. This is a concept that someone would most likely learn early in their education on this subject.

****, even *I* got this particular concept of a person feeling a connection with celebrities in my 100 level psych class.

And no, I don't want to read your essay.
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I wasn't actually 'calling you out' but you are getting so darn defensive so I'll explain.

Actually, I thought I already explained it saying that it was general knowledge and that someone that knows psychology might have a better understanding of it.

It's like saying "the earth has a molten core" and expecting a geologist, of any specific discipline, to have more in-depth knowledge on that particular aspect of the subject. This is a concept that someone would most likely learn early in their education on this subject.

****, even *I* got this particular concept of a person feeling a connection with celebrities in my 100 level psych class.

And no, I don't want to read your essay.
So what exactly is the process that explains specifically why people grow attached to celebrities? You really still haven't answered my question yet you continue to condescend me and i'm not really sure why.

I haven't taken a 100 level psych class in 4 years, i'm just saying...i still have the book though, maybe i'll look it up
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Heath Ledger is an example of what too much emo can do to a person
it's all me me me me me me me and life is bad me me me me why why why...

pretty boring actually


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So what exactly is the process that explains specifically why people grow attached to celebrities? You really still haven't answered my question yet you continue to condescend me and i'm not really sure why.

I haven't taken a 100 level psych class in 4 years, i'm just saying...i still have the book though, maybe i'll look it up
Wow, I thought you were just being defensive at first but now I see that you're just dense.

I didn't say that you should know the exact reasoning behind this, only that you might know the general concept. There goes that word 'concept' again. Let's look it up in the dictionary... hmm... a general notion or idea. General notion? Doesn't sound like I'm asking you the "process that explains specifically why people grow attached to celebrities." ... Or does it?!!??!?!?!?!! Specifically.. should I look that up? Might be a different meaning than concept.

Now I'm really being condescending.
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cut it out you two. Sheesh.

Heath is probably being sewn back together now (post autopsy) and here you both are proverbially trying to spell his name in the snow with. Kiss and make up.
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Wow, I thought you were just being defensive at first but now I see that you're just dense.

I didn't say that you should know the exact reasoning behind this, only that you might know the general concept. There goes that word 'concept' again. Let's look it up in the dictionary... hmm... a general notion or idea. General notion? Doesn't sound like I'm asking you the "process that explains specifically why people grow attached to celebrities." ... Or does it?!!??!?!?!?!! Specifically.. should I look that up? Might be a different meaning than concept.

Now I'm really being condescending.
Oh, so what you're trying to say is that people generally like people. Yeah, i know that. I didn't really need a degree for that though. Nice argumentation tactic though, that actually is something i could dissect if you want. Social Psych texts offer whole chapters on it.
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