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Old 02-04-08, 02:31 PM   #1
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The T-Mobile Sidekick scam

I switched to AT&T recently and from day 1 was uneasy. My reception was not great. Their plan choices wasn't great and I really didn't have as many minutes as I felt comfortable with, etc...

Anyway....I realized T-Mobile started the "my fave" plans like alltel has, so I decided I'd switch back.

Anyway, all of that is irrelevant. I decided I didn't use the internet on the phone enough to continue paying for it, but I do like the full qwerty keyboard phones (can't stand using texting or making notes using the hit button 3 times for an 'L').

So I had decided to get the cheapest Sidekick they had with no data plan.

I figured it could be a "light duty" PDA (which is all I needed) and phone. It was only $50.


As I'm signing up, the T-Mobile rep was good enough to let me know about how the Sidekick contacts worked (nice guy to let me know up front). Apparently the contacts aren't stored in the sim card or in phone EEPROM. They are ONLY stored on the T-Mobile server. If you don't have a data plan to connect to the server now and then your contacts will just disappear every once in a while. From what he said this is only a Sidekick phone thing.

WTF? How can they get away with that? Basically forcing you to take the data plan if you don't want to lose your contact list now and then.

Anyway....it was a screwy enough feature that I got the Dash phone instead. It seems like a good phone, I'm happy, but I'm pretty disappointed in the strongarm tactics regarding T-Mobile/Sidekick.

Anybody ever know about that feature? Any Sidekick users?
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Well it does come in handy from time to time, read this article
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Well it does come in handy from time to time, read this article
LOL....still reading, but the story is hella funny.
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Verizon does this with lots of stuff. You can't transfer pictures from a camera phone to your computer or vice versa (unless you have a separate memory card) unless you send it to yourself... for $.25 each. You must use their ringtone service, games service etc. Unless you want to hack the phone and resent some of the settings. I really dislike Verizon, but my experience says they have the best coverage everywhere. Oh well... maybe someday, we'll figure a way to revolt against the wireless companies and make them behave like responsible, ethical buisnesses.
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LOL....still reading, but the story is hella funny.
Oh, I forgot to mention to read it only if you got a few hours to kill.
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Oh, I forgot to mention to read it only if you got a few hours to kill.
Luckily the version you linked was apparently the "abridged" version....only 1/2 read.
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Verizon does this with lots of stuff. You can't transfer pictures from a camera phone to your computer or vice versa (unless you have a separate memory card) unless you send it to yourself... for $.25 each. You must use their ringtone service, games service etc. Unless you want to hack the phone and resent some of the settings.
Yowch!

I've got an AT&T 8525 and I can transfer anything back and forth via ActiveSync or my microSD card. I can use any song/sound I want to for my ringtones and I've loaded plenty of 3rd party software on it. No extra charges for any of that.

KT, I've yet to figure out why there's such crummy AT&T service at your house, because even out in the middle of BFE nowhere on top of the ridge I still get good service. It's EDGE, not 3G up there, but still fantastic reception.
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I put Verizon up there with Chase and WAL*MART as
companies I would like to see die a slow painful death......

I had to go to the Vermont Attorney General to get
them to stop taking money out of our account for our
cell fones. I called once a month for two months
before the contract ran out stating in no uncertain terms
It was not to be renewed. Each time was "Yes, we understand".
Every month for four months, despite many fone calls and
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pulling money from our account. Now, we are in FL where
there is no Verizon land lines. We canceled that account a
month before we left and sure enuff, the cell story repeats
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comes with the territory ofgoing with a terrible carrier. Go back to AT&T cingular. Best carrier in my opinion.
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comes with the territory ofgoing with a terrible carrier. Go back to AT&T cingular. Best carrier in my opinion.
It's different in different locations. It's funny when people make generalizations like that....generalizations as a rule aren't true.

AT&T's reception is OK around here, but T-Mobile is a little bit better. If you look at the plans, T-Mobile has great plans...better than almost anybody. Now that they offer "myfaves", it no-contest. I didn't have enough minutes to talk to my g/f with AT&T, but now she'll be free all the time, so no worries.

T-Mobile is a better choice for me. I had them for 2 years before (was only with AT&T about 2 months) and never had any major issues.
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Verizon does this with lots of stuff. You can't transfer pictures from a camera phone to your computer or vice versa (unless you have a separate memory card) unless you send it to yourself... for $.25 each. You must use their ringtone service, games service etc. Unless you want to hack the phone and resent some of the settings. I really dislike Verizon, but my experience says they have the best coverage everywhere. Oh well... maybe someday, we'll figure a way to revolt against the wireless companies and make them behave like responsible, ethical buisnesses.
You could always use bluetooth to communicate with your phone. I get all of my ringtones on my phone that way and I also remove pics and vids from my phone.
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hhaha wow thanks for making me read that
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You should have gotten a palm treo or something.
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You should have gotten a palm treo or something.
I've been getting the "super fancy" phones the last few phones. I finally decided ALL I NEED (no more data plan) is a full qwerty keyboard for taking notes and texting and a phone.

This "T-Mobile Dash" was the cheapest phone that fit that bill and it even has wi-fi so that I can still use internet if I'm near a hot spot (like at home).
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i'm with t-mobile. they have the best coverage and reception worldwide of any of the major carriers. i've never had any problem with them

so i'm in the t-mobile store the other day; just stopped by on my way to do something else. and i notice they have the crackberry pearl on sale. after rebates and blah blah i think it was $50. so i'm just about to buy the thing, and the guy says 'to get that price you have to take the data plan as well. now, one is $10 a month and one is $20 a month and..."

huh? you're joking, right? here's your phone back. MY phone will be set up how I want it, not how YOU want it. thank you very much
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I just got the Dash last week, not long enough to form an opinion. It replaced an HP that lasted a month, and before that, I had the MDA. I can't imagine not having the keyboard, since I do a lot of email and a bit of forum stuff from my phone. Not having a pointy stick and touch screen takes some getting used to.

As far as the data plan, from what I recall there is a simple solution. If you subscribe to T-Zones, (which was $5.95/month last time I checked) you can hack it and get full web access. There are sites devoted to all the hacks for Windows-based HTC phones. I never bothered, since I used either the GPRS before they fixed it, or WiFi. But I've been happy with the service for two years now.
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... so i'm just about to buy the thing, and the guy says 'to get that price you have to take the data plan as well. now, one is $10 a month and one is $20 a month and..."

huh? you're joking, right? here's your phone back. MY phone will be set up how I want it, not how YOU want it. thank you very much
Hmmmmm, sounds much like the iPhone crap.
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AT&T and Verizon have conspired with the government to spy on Americans. Sprint and TMobil do not support these spying efforts. Vote with your dollars especially now that Sprint has lost 600,000 customers. They will be offering great deals.
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What I did with my verizon, they do charge to send tones by email or to dl them.

I made my own tones off songs I like at phonezoo.com

Downloaded them.

Used my usb cable, installed a free online program, and put the tones on, 5 of them for free.
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It's different in different locations. It's funny when people make generalizations like that....generalizations as a rule aren't true.

AT&T's reception is OK around here, but T-Mobile is a little bit better. If you look at the plans, T-Mobile has great plans...better than almost anybody. Now that they offer "myfaves", it no-contest. I didn't have enough minutes to talk to my g/f with AT&T, but now she'll be free all the time, so no worries.

T-Mobile is a better choice for me. I had them for 2 years before (was only with AT&T about 2 months) and never had any major issues.
I guess that can be true. Where are you located? Here on Long Island AT&T is great; Verizon is as well. I really dont know any TMobile users(should tell you something). Are you or are you not in Florida? I vaguely recall from previous times. I always thought good some places, good all places.

Hey, whatever works for you is what you should go with. All the best with it.
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I've got AT&T and get horrible reception in my house to the extent that I can pretty much expect every call I receive at home to drop less than a minute after I answer. The awesome thing is that my friends with AT&T get perfect service in my house, even those with the exact same phone. Outside of my home, everything is sweet and dandy. Still haven't figured that one out.
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Can you return the Sidekick and get a Wing instead?

The Sidekick was intended not for PDA use, but more for a socialite toy, before the iPhone grabbed the market by storm. We all know about the fate of the info on Paris Hilton's Sidekick a couple years back.

The Wing or the Dash are phones/PDAs more like what you are wanting. Both store contact info locally, and can sync to your local machine.
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AT&T and Alltel have the best systems in this part of the country. Verizon and T-Mobile aren't that great. Sprint is trying to do two things at once: rebuild their customer base and pull off a huge sponsership contract with NASCAR. Sprint may be bankrupt by 2010.
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Eh. I use my cell phone as a cell phone. *shrugs*
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