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    Bet some people had to change underwear!


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    I once saw a video (have no idea what to search for now) that showed about 5 or 6 landings of that nature. There is a particular name for that k ind of landing where the plane is faced at a strong angle into the wind in order to land correctly and straighten out when it touches.
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    I'm sitting at the airport in Atlanta right now. I think we landed in a similar fashion. Ok, maybe not that bad.

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    http://youtube.com/watch?v=QX3S5y_SooM
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    Thats how you do it.

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    Stinking MSN won't let a mac user watch the video. But I'm betting it's the one I saw on the news this morning and no doubt, landing in 100+ mph gusts, what the hell?

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    Thats how you do it.
    Crabbing a triple seven, nice.

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    Airline pilots may just be glorified bus drivers, but they're bad-ass glorified bus drivers with really big brass ones.

    But would you put your life in the hands of the lead singer for Iron Maiden?

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    Wow. Good piloting for sure. Kudos to him for keeping his passenger and crew safe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Siu Blue Wind View Post
    Wow. Good piloting for sure. Kudos to him for keeping his passenger and crew safe.
    i'm not going to second that statement
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    Quote Originally Posted by smoke View Post
    i'm not going to second that statement
    +1
    drop the wing, and get on the rudder...

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    That's why there shouldn't be any airports with less than two runways, with at least ~70 degrees difference in heading between them. That way, no extreme crosswinds will ever be encountered by a landing aircraft.

    Anyway, to me it looks as the main trucks were down, at least briefly, so putting it down would feel safer, especially considering a potentially malfunctioning outboard aileron. It could be that it was past safe stopping distance though.

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    There's a good discussion of this on Metafilter, including links to a landing in Hong Kong in a 747 - wow.

    And here's a photo of the German landing in the original post:



    From metafilter:
    People watch this video and claim they'll never fly again. I have the opposite reaction. I see this video and think "wow, those plans sure can take a beating and there are some damn skilled pilots flying them."

    I feel better about flying commercially now.
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    Another reason why rally drivers don't make for good pilots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carbonlife View Post
    Airline pilots may just be glorified bus drivers, but they're bad-ass glorified bus drivers with really big brass ones.

    But would you put your life in the hands of the lead singer for Iron Maiden?

    Bruce Air Flight 666
    +1 and then some! That pilots one bad ass MFer!
    You see, their morals, their code...it's a bad joke, dropped at the first sign of trouble. They're only as good as the world allows them to be. I'll show you. When the chips are down, these...These "civilized" people...they'll eat each other. See, I'm not a monster. I'm just ahead of the curve

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    I'd say he screwed up. Looks like he should have started 50-100 feet earlier with the cockpit lined up on the upwind side and then getting on the rudder while dropping the upwind wing. Otherwise, you get blown downind like this guy did. I guess he learned a lot after the first attempt.
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    I've had to put some of these guys out before, and have seen a truckload of landings as an aircraft firefighter. I even had one land on and crush my fire truck once, glad I wasn't in it at the time.

    I can't load the video but if I did I may have some more nightmares.

    Glad they came through in ok shape.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StrangeWill View Post
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    Thats how you do it.
    Yup! That's the video I was thinking of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingTermite View Post
    I once saw a video (have no idea what to search for now) that showed about 5 or 6 landings of that nature. There is a particular name for that k ind of landing where the plane is faced at a strong angle into the wind in order to land correctly and straighten out when it touches.
    You're thinking of "crabbing" into the wind.

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    Wow. Good piloting for sure. Kudos to him for keeping his passenger and crew safe.
    Nope, not good piloting. This guy should have diverted to another airport where he could have made a safe landing without putting his passengers, crew and plane in danger. Worst of all, he went around and did it again! Doesn't matter that he landed it the second time... he should have diverted.

    News said 150 mile per hour winds, but I heard later in the day it was 150 km/hour winds. Still, that's around 90 MPH which is still unsafe.

    As for the people having to change their underwear, I'd say first and foremost would be the pilot!
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    Quote Originally Posted by skiahh View Post
    You're thinking of "crabbing" into the wind.



    Nope, not good piloting. This guy should have diverted to another airport where he could have made a safe landing without putting his passengers, crew and plane in danger. Worst of all, he went around and did it again! Doesn't matter that he landed it the second time... he should have diverted.

    News said 150 mile per hour winds, but I heard later in the day it was 150 km/hour winds. Still, that's around 90 MPH which is still unsafe.

    As for the people having to change their underwear, I'd say first and foremost would be the pilot!
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    Quote Originally Posted by skiahh View Post
    You're thinking of "crabbing" into the wind.



    Nope, not good piloting. This guy should have diverted to another airport where he could have made a safe landing without putting his passengers, crew and plane in danger. Worst of all, he went around and did it again! Doesn't matter that he landed it the second time... he should have diverted.

    News said 150 mile per hour winds, but I heard later in the day it was 150 km/hour winds. Still, that's around 90 MPH which is still unsafe.

    As for the people having to change their underwear, I'd say first and foremost would be the pilot!
    Okay my bad. My point was that everybody was okay!! It could have been worse.
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    That's what we call "exceeding the maximum published crosswind component."

    If he'd been flying a high-wing, he would have been okay.

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    Why was he trying to land in cross winds like that?
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    Some people may have needed to change their underwear...

    So, maybe it would be good to not wear underwear, so you wouldn't have to change them after a scary situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Will G View Post
    I'd say he screwed up. Looks like he should have started 50-100 feet earlier with the cockpit lined up on the upwind side and then getting on the rudder while dropping the upwind wing. Otherwise, you get blown downind like this guy did. I guess he learned a lot after the first attempt.
    listen to will g. he's a professional

    a lot of bad information in this thread. while this guy has excellent flying skills, his judgement is poor.

    first of all, his crab angle is horrific. i fly two other versions of the airbus for a living. i've come down final in crosswinds that exceeded the limits of the aircraft. and i have never, ever seen a crab angle like that. i guarantee you the authorities are going over the current weather conditions at that time with a fine-toothed comb. nothing at all wrong with flying down final in crosswinds that are out of landing limits; trying to land in those winds is the problem

    and the important part of the wind is the crosswind component, not the wind speed. 150 kph wind or 300 kph wind straight down the runway doesn't mean anything - except that your groundspeed is 1 and it's gonna take all day to get there and a steady-state wind is a thing of beauty. gusts are when i start working

    the airbus can be landed in a crab. and this guy had a helluva crab. normally, we use the wing-low method - before you touch down you put in enough rudder to align the jet with the runway, then you lower the upwind wing to keep from drifting. this guy didn't do that. he may have felt like he didn't have enough rudder authority to move the nose that far. he may have felt that he would need so much down wing that it would drag a wingtip. or maybe lufthansa always lands in a crab (i doubt it). for whatever reason, he's decided on a crabbed landing

    then, the second problem - he allows the jet to float to the downwind side of the runway. that's the WRONG side to be on in a high-wind situation, kids. he's given himself no extra room to maneuver, as you see later

    aileron comment is incorrect. the ailerons on the airbus are located inboard, about halfway up the wing towards the fuselage. right behind the engines, actually. and the spoilers that aid in slow-speed roll are all located on the top of the wing. no flight control damage due to dragging this wingtip. maybe a few other things, but the flight controls are fine

    once you put one of these large jets on the ground, you are almost always smarter to leave it there. it's a very rare situation that would force you to go around after touching down. i think this was one of those situations. this was the one good decision they made. nothing wrong with the jet; it's flyable. but he's landed, the nose has swung violently left, looks like some overcontrolling, it kicks further left, they drag a wingtip, the jet turns left, the left truck is now off the runway and into the grass, the nose weathervanes right back into the wind. look how fast all that happened. they have run a perfectly good jet into the dirt. basically, they've lost control of it. this is a disaster waiting to happen in about 15 seconds. you bet i would have taken this back into the air. they did well getting control back and getting this thing out of the dirt

    all in all, a bad day at the office. one bad decision (trying to land in this crosswind) has caused all this trouble. excellent flying skills; poor brain work. i remember something i heard back when i was first learning to fly - an excellent pilot is the one that uses his superior knowledge and judgement to keep him out of situations that require his superior skills

    -smoke out
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    Smoke:

    Thank You. That was very edifying. Put into words that those of us that ride in the back of the plane can understand.

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