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    There are 6000+ patent attorneys in California

    I know. I printed out the list from the US Patent Office website yesterday. It's thicker than the Manhattan Yellow Pages. We market our services to patent attorneys (that's why we need this info).

    Don't hold me to this, but I think they're inventing **** in California these days.

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    They need to invent a process for keeping their parks open.

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    Or they are spending their time looking for someone with a popular product with no patent, and then stealing the patent out from under the current user. 6000 attorneys is about 5500 too many.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jsharr View Post
    6000 attorneys is about 5500 too many.
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    There are 6000+ patent attorneys in California
    That field already lost my respect.
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    Useless trivia:

    Approximately two thirds of worlds lawyers are employed in the US of A.
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    We tried to reform the patent process but goofed. It's a mess.
    We are as gods, we might as well get good at it.
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    I believe that the largest category in the local yellow pages here is Attorneys...

    Every other cluster of ads on TV has a law firm advertising...

    One advertises on bus stands...

    WAY too many lawyers.

    Of course, one reason for anyone to get into law as a profession is that whenever anyone gets rich, a lawyer seems to be involved, either before or after the fact to get their cut.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jsharr View Post
    Or they are spending their time looking for someone with a popular product with no patent, and then stealing the patent out from under the current user. 6000 attorneys is about 5500 too many.
    I don't know about all that, but they're all going to need patent drawings.

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    Much of this is not for filing patents but for litigating infringement from both the offensive and defensive side. With both Biotech and Software out there they spend a lot of time in court suing each other.
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    Attorney, Car Salesman, Politician, Ax Murderer are all pretty popular people. I think I'd be inviting the ax murderer to dinner. Great stories from a cut up don't you know!
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    As a patent lawyer, I can tell you that mass mail techniques, blast emails, etc do not work because I don't have time. Word of mouth is best, followed by offers to come to me and show me what you can do. If you have to go cold calling, at least make it targeted. A voicemail (I don't pick up my phone for unrecognized numbers) with a website sometimes gets my attention if the guy can explain why his expertise fits with my practice (if you can't be bothered to look up what I do on our website, I'm not calling you back).
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    Quote Originally Posted by patentcad View Post
    I don't know about all that, but they're all going to need patent drawings.
    You could probably and easily come up with a list of 25 firms in Cali that do enough patent figures (mostly mechanical and EE patents) to make it worth your while.
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    My father is a lawyer (as are my sister, my brother, and my sister-in-law).

    When my father became a lawyer, there were 3,000 lawyers in CT. Now there's over 30,000.

    Go figure.



    btw - none of them are patent lawyers.

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    Joke from a friend who is a lawyer:

    How do you keep a lawyer from drowning?


    Take your foot off his neck!

    BTW--My brother is your worst nightmare, he's a lawyer for the IRS.
    Slow, but at least still moving...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpongeDad View Post
    As a patent lawyer, I can tell you that mass mail techniques, blast emails, etc do not work because I don't have time. Word of mouth is best, followed by offers to come to me and show me what you can do. If you have to go cold calling, at least make it targeted. A voicemail (I don't pick up my phone for unrecognized numbers) with a website sometimes gets my attention if the guy can explain why his expertise fits with my practice (if you can't be bothered to look up what I do on our website, I'm not calling you back).
    We cold call followed with an email and a print brochure, and we typically speak to our prospects. If we're forced to leave a voicemail, that's all we do. That has proven much more effective than the mass mailings or advertising, both of which lost their draw over the last decade (I've been doing this for 17 years now). We only do it when we're slow, that's rare. If we did this 4-8 hours weekly we'd never get slow. The reason I don't is that when we're jammed I'm afraid that more work would swamp us and hinder our ability to meet all the deadlines.

    Our response rate is very low, but we don't need a lot of clients to keep us busy, and we have a very high retention rate once we get them (I've been doing work for some of the same lawyers for over 10 years, some since 1992).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Indyv8a View Post

    BTW--My brother is your worst nightmare, he's a lawyer for the IRS.

    My father was an appeals officer .

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    I can't crack lawyer jokes, they're my clients.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patentcad View Post
    I can't crack lawyer jokes, they're my clients.
    are patent lawyers as humorless as the general population of BF.net?

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    Quote Originally Posted by botto View Post
    are patent lawyers as humorless as the general population of BF.net?
    BF.net is like George Carlin on crank compared to patent lawyers, who are drier than the Mojave Desert in August. Think mechanical engineer with a law degree and imagine the net result.

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    Quote Originally Posted by botto View Post
    are patent lawyers as humorless as the general population of BF.net?
    I've been trying so hard too .

    Do you have any helpful tips or advice?

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    Now I understand why all the patents are still pending.
    6,000 lawyers having to review the drawings, the descriptions, and then of course create their bills and collect before signing off on everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patentcad View Post
    BF.net is like George Carlin on crank compared to patent lawyers, who are drier than the Mojave Desert in August. Think mechanical engineer with a law degree and imagine the net result.
    Hey now, don't be harshing on the meal ticket. If they didn't have handwriting like 3 yr olds, you'd be looking for work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by botto View Post
    are patent lawyers as humorless as the general population of BF.net?
    I like to think of myself as "humor challenged".
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpongeDad View Post
    Hey now, don't be harshing on the meal ticket. If they didn't have handwriting like 3 yr olds, you'd be looking for work.
    I am looking for work, that's why we're prospecting this week. We're either buried or dead. This week, we're dead. That's how it goes in a service business.

    I have never, ever, EVER met a funny patent lawyer. But it has only been 17 years, I'm sure I'll stumble across one eventually. Wait, my wife worked for them for 15+ years before that, so in 32+ years neither of us has met a funny patent attorney. Never mind.

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