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Old 03-15-08, 09:36 AM   #1
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*******s blocked YouTube

Jeez louise. I mean, in the back of my mind, I knew it was only a matter of time. But Beijing has gone ahead and blocked YouTube.

That makes the list of major sites I'd like to visit but can't (without a proxy, and even that doesn't work for the BBC):
YouTube
Blogspot
Wikipedia
BBC News
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Google News (well, not blocked, but acts wonky... Google image search is even wonkier)
Technorati

My guess is this is a combination of the National People's Congress, China's parliament, which is meeting right now, and the unrest in Tibet. Don't want people watching videos of those pesky Tibetans.

I asked a taxi driver tonight what he thought about what was going on in Tibet. He hadn't heard a thing.

What a farce.
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Old 03-15-08, 10:02 AM   #2
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hmm. kinda like school. did they block anything containing the word myspace in it yet too?
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China, does not have freedom of information. They have been known and will block anything that contains information they don't want their general public to know or understand. Google will work, but return completely different search results and photos than that of the US. Good luck and enjoy the information they want you to hear and nothing more.
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Jeez louise. I mean, in the back of my mind, I knew it was only a matter of time. But Beijing has gone ahead and blocked YouTube.

That makes the list of major sites I'd like to visit but can't (without a proxy, and even that doesn't work for the BBC):
YouTube
Blogspot
Wikipedia
BBC News
CBC News
Google News (well, not blocked, but acts wonky... Google image search is even wonkier)
Technorati

My guess is this is a combination of the National People's Congress, China's parliament, which is meeting right now, and the unrest in Tibet. Don't want people watching videos of those pesky Tibetans.

I asked a taxi driver tonight what he thought about what was going on in Tibet. He hadn't heard a thing.

What a farce.
Do many people listen to shortwave radio?
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hmm. kinda like school. did they block anything containing the word myspace in it yet too?
Ha — No, not yet... but you've hit the nail right on the head with the "kinda like school" bit. All of this just shows such a fundamental disrespect for the intelligence of the Chinese people. The government is treating everyone like 12-year olds.
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China, does not have freedom of information. They have been known and will block anything that contains information they don't want their general public to know or understand. Google will work, but return completely different search results and photos than that of the US. Good luck and enjoy the information they want you to hear and nothing more.
What you say about Google is not entirely true. If you go to Google.com in China, it will return the same results you would get in the rest of the world, but you won't necessarily be able to go to all those links not Google's fault. If you go to Google.cn, it will only return the links that you are able to access within the mainland (arguably less frustrating). It will also include a line that says something to the effect of "In line with the rules and regulations of the People's Republic of China, some results were not returned in your search."

Of course, they say they're going to totally open up the internet for the 3 weeks of the Olympics, so foreigners won't be annoyed during their time here
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Ziemas: I don't know anyone who listens to shortwave.

The thing is, it's not as if people can't find out about this information. The Chinese internet is filled with political debate, using acronyms and puns to get around words automatically filtered by blog and forum web sites. People will get around this latest block, like they've got around blocks in the past... programs like Tor and Web proxies like Anonymouse are widely used here (I use Anonymouse a dozen times a day at least). My fear is that the government's blocking of YouTube and other sites will do two things:

1) It will create a class system on the internet, separating people who have the money to buy VPNs in foreign countries, or the technical know-how to get around blocks with web proxies and programs, from the poor and less technically inclined. Already, many foreign companies operating in China use VPNs so their data can get into and out of China with minimal fuss.

2) It will make finding anything the government doesn't want you to look at so frustrating that people will just not bother. To take one example, I've given up even trying to get to the BBC -- while it has information that I'd really like to read, it's just too much of a pain to access. I'm not worried about people not being able to get to information so much as them giving up looking for that information.

As for me, I just bought my VPN at WiTopia. Of course, the WiTopia online store was partially blocked — I got a familiar "connection reset" error — so I had to use Tor to surf there
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Ha — No, not yet... but you've hit the nail right on the head with the "kinda like school" bit. All of this just shows such a fundamental disrespect for the intelligence of the Chinese people. The government is treating everyone like 12-year olds.
very true.

our government also treats us like 12 year olds, so don't feel left out. at least we can use the internet more or less how we want for now (except for planning terror).

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Time to be looking for a job in the PNW, goobers?
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Actually, I've been really enjoying my new job, so I think I'll stick it out for a while longer. Plus, as a journalist, this sort of thing in theory makes my job more interesting

The WiTopia VPN is a huge improvement over my previous situation — at least from my first 5 minutes of using it. Nothing is blocked any more, and speed is vastly improved. Not sure why the speed is better, but I'll take it...
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Ha No, not yet... but you've hit the nail right on the head with the "kinda like school" bit. All of this just shows such a fundamental disrespect for the intelligence of the Chinese people. The government is treating everyone like 12-year olds.
And the rest of the world are enablers of that frickin' government with all the foreign investment. China will eventually become what the Soviet Union could not: a true superpower, because they've discovered the concept of the "capitalist communist."
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