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Pheard 03-15-08 08:54 PM

Camera- Any downside to buying non name brand batts?
 
IE the lithium battery for the Nikon d80? As I was looking around for my nikon d80 purchase, I realized it'd be nice to have 1 or 2 spare batteries. I've run into many sites selling non nikon brand replica batteries. They all say the same line about up to if not above the standard of the name brand EN-EL3E battery. I found one site that sells one for 17$ vs the 40-60$ nikon one.

Also.... is there any downside to buying an 8 or 16gb mem SD card vs tons of 1 or 2 gb cards? I found a site that sells an 8 gb High speed sandisk card for 37$ after rebate.

I'm looking around spotting out where I'm gunna get the gear. I almost have enough money for the purchase.

x136 03-15-08 08:58 PM

Well, if you lose an 8 or 16GB card full of pictures, or it fails for whatever reason, you're out a lot more pictures than if you lost or destroyed one of your 2GB cards. That's the biggie right there. Plus, I haven't looked lately, but I'm not sure that the bigger cards are quite as fast as the smaller ones.

As for the battery, as long as it doesn't explode inside the camera, it should be okay.

Allen 03-15-08 09:08 PM

What you need to be concerned about with batteries is counterfeits. I've been seeing them pop up recently. Anything from poor power supply, short lives, to wrong power output. If the price is really low, beware.

mlts22 03-15-08 09:09 PM

If you periodically back up the larger 8 or 16 GB card, you would be OK, however if you don't, I'd go with smaller cards just like x136 recommends so the loss of stuff is minimized.

Pheard 03-15-08 09:29 PM

I've found 512mb sandisk one for 10$ a pop and a 8gb sandisk for 77 with a 40 dollar visa cc rebate. It's not like i'd use 8gb i never in a day pass about a gig. The reason for it is if I am in the middle of trying to capture something I love having lots of extra space so it won't run out. I'd upload stuff every day so it never got full of pics up to 8gbs.

The sites I refer to allen are many different battery sites all manufacturing their version of the nikon d80 battery, it is clear it's not the nikon brand version. I think the best bet is staying with the name brand.

Zinn-X 03-15-08 09:42 PM

my dad bought some cheap knock-off batteries for his canon digital rebel on ebay. they totally sucked ass and stopped working relatively quickly. it's probably worth it just to cough up the extra cash and have batteries you can more or less rely on. the canon-branded rechargeable batteries that came with my S60 are still going strong four years later.

x136 03-15-08 09:48 PM

If it helps, I can fit ~580 full-sized JPEGs, or ~230 RAW images on the 2GB card in my XT. Granted, it's an 8MP camera to the D80's 10MP, but 2GB is still a pretty decent-sized card. I bet you can pick up two 133x 2GB cards for what I paid for one of mine nowadays, too.

Also, you're selling your Kona to fund this? Yikes!

Dogbait 03-15-08 09:52 PM

Here's the way I do it with my D70.
Batteries:
It's a rare day that I will need to change batteries if I start with a freshly charged Nikon brand in the camera.

There may be a problem with a warranty repair if your camera has a catastrophic failure with a brand x battery installed.

As noted by Allen, there are some counterfeits out there. these will be the cheapest ones. There are also some good replacement batteries (Maxell, E-tronics) which are as good as Nikon but last not quite as long. These will cost a little less than Nikon but more than the $17.00 ones.

I buy the E-Tronics batteries that the local camera shop sells for about 8-10 dollars less than the Nikon battery and use them as the number two battery, to be inserted if the Nikon battery goes dead. As soon as I can recharge the Nikon battery, it goes back in the camera.

As to memory cards:
Always buy good quality, name brand cards, like Sandisk.

Spend your money on write speed, not capacity. This will keep you from having to wait while your camera writes from the buffer to the card after a dozen of so fast shots.

I try to have enough cards on hand so that I can change cards as I change subjects... makes it easier to keep things sorted out without having to record notes on the card.

As noted above, "Don't put all your eggs in one basket". You never know when a card will take a dump on you but the chances are better if you keep ALL of your photos of a weeks vacation on a cheap, large capacity card, that it will be the one to go south on you. I find that, for me, a 1 or 2gb card will work all day.

Pheard 03-15-08 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by x136 (Post 6350408)
If it helps, I can fit ~580 full-sized JPEGs, or ~230 RAW images on the 2GB card in my XT. Granted, it's an 8MP camera to the D80's 10MP, but 2GB is still a pretty decent-sized card. I bet you can pick up two 133x 2GB cards for what I paid for one of mine nowadays, too.

Also, you're selling your Kona to fund this? Yikes!

Yes I am. Did I ever tell you about how frankenesque that bike is? it is so unfit to my body. My best bet is buying a stock MTB. Let some other poor sap deal with the kona. :D

On top of I should have an 18.5 dual frame not a 20.5

Pheard 03-15-08 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dogbait (Post 6350425)
Here's the way I do it with my D70.
Batteries:
It's a rare day that I will need to change batteries if I start with a freshly charged Nikon brand in the camera.

There may be a problem with a warranty repair if your camera has a catastrophic failure with a brand x battery installed.

As noted by Allen, there are some counterfeits out there. these will be the cheapest ones. There are also some good replacement batteries (Maxell, E-tronics) which are as good as Nikon but last not quite as long. These will cost a little less than Nikon but more than the $17.00 ones.

I buy the E-Tronics batteries that the local camera shop sells for about 8-10 dollars less than the Nikon battery and use them as the number two battery, to be inserted if the Nikon battery goes dead. As soon as I can recharge the Nikon battery, it goes back in the camera.

As to memory cards:
Always buy good quality, name brand cards, like Sandisk.

Spend your money on write speed, not capacity. This will keep you from having to wait while your camera writes from the buffer to the card after a dozen of so fast shots.

I try to have enough cards on hand so that I can change cards as I change subjects... makes it easier to keep things sorted out without having to record notes on the card.

As noted above, "Don't put all your eggs in one basket". You never know when a card will take a dump on you but the chances are better if you keep ALL of your photos of a weeks vacation on a cheap, large capacity card, that it will be the one to go south on you. I find that, for me, a 1 or 2gb card will work all day.

How do I found out write speed?

x136 03-15-08 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pheard (Post 6350460)
On top of I should have an 18.5 dual frame not a 20.5

Boy, that was a lot of money to spend to not even end up with the right size. Ouch.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pheard (Post 6350472)
How do I found out write speed?

They generally say right on the package/card. When I bought mine, 133x was the fastest speed out there, but it looks like 300x cards are now available.

Pheard 03-15-08 10:09 PM

The 8gb according to this is 20mb which translates into 133x, supposedly is the fastest according to the chart.

Yea they effed my order up, and I call 3 weeks later to find out there was a card error, and so they have on frame left. A 20.5. It's just too big.

Dogbait 03-15-08 10:09 PM

The manufacturers' site should tell you. For example:

From Sandisk:

Extreme III the current fastest.

Ultra II which were the fastest when I bought mine.

Pheard 03-15-08 10:12 PM

Wow. On the sandisk site the MSRP for the 8gb is 180$

I can get it for 40$ It's the extreme III too.

Wordbiker 03-15-08 10:55 PM

I don't think you have a camera or a Kona. I just can't trust anything you say.

Pheard 03-15-08 11:03 PM

So will you buy my non existant kona off me for 800$ ? :D

Wordbiker 03-15-08 11:20 PM

When I can buy wholesale? Pffft...

norsehabanero 03-16-08 11:07 AM

i usally keep a few spare bats around alsohttp://www.rictus.com/viz/photos/sea...eping-bats.jpg

lodi781 03-16-08 11:22 AM

Pheard, I usually use a 4 GB card in my camera. For the simple reason that I don't take more than 600 shots in a session. Then I come home and empty the card. I did find some crazy deal at ritz which was like 3 1gb cards for 20 bucks. So those are the 1 gb cards I have, otherwise, I don't go above 4gb.

ItsJustMe 03-16-08 01:12 PM

I haven't bought a name brand battery for any of my devices in years, and have had no problems. I'm paying $4 for cell phone batteries on eBay. No problems. I've also bought all my chargers there. Usually when I get a new phone I can find a package deal with a spare battery, and AC and a DC charger for about $12 shipped.

For my camera, I'd stick with a dealer that's been around for a while and buy off-brand clones from them. BatteryBarn has sold me a dozen various SLR and camcorder batteries and they all worked as well as OEM Canon/Panasonic batteries and cost 1/4 as much. There's nothing magical about OEM batteries; they're just stock LiIon cells in a plastic case with a standard charging chip you can buy from any supplier for a nickel in quantity.

I use an 8GB card in my small camera. My SLR only has a 1GB card, because I don't tend to take it on vacation and shoot thousands of photos and video like I do with my little camera, and the 1GB card cost me > $100 when I bought it. If I ever buy another card for the SLR, it'll be 8 or 16GB. I saw 16GB CF cards for $55 the other day, no rebate.

I have friends that tell me I'm an idiot, one day the card is going to die and I'm going to lose a lot of photos. But you know what? I've read failure stories on dpreview, and it seems to me that most card failures happen when people are swapping cards in and out of cameras. ISTM that if you put in an 8GB card, you won't HAVE to swap it out. If you leave the card in the camera, there's no chance for dirt to get in or for you to zap it with static electricity, and I bet you have a fraction of the overall failure.

I've had one card die, ever. Even then, the card didn't die, the camera screwed up the directory. It was a 64M card; this was years ago. I just threw another card in and finished the vacation, and when I got back I wrote a quick perl script and recovered every photo from the card.

Oh, and I buy off brand memory cards too, like Dane-Elec. I popped one open once, and inside it has Samsung chips. A Lexar I also popped open had....Samsung chips. I don't think it matters a bit. I paid $6.99 for my 2GB backup SD cards; they were cheap enough that if a friend ran out of memory, I'd just give him one and not worry about getting it back.

As for speed, you just can't buy anything slower than 40x anymore, and none of my cameras can outrun a 40x card. Keep in mind that everyone embellishes their speed claims, but they're all at least 40x, and unless you have a pretty new camera and shoot lots of frames really fast, 40x is fine.

mlts22 03-16-08 01:26 PM

Don't laugh, but I try to buy the SanDisk cards like this:

http://www.sandisk.com/Assets/produc...us_4GB_130.jpg

The advantage of these cards is that I don't need a special card reader -- I gently pop out the tab for USB, and use it as a USB flash drive to copy the stuff.

MillCreek 03-16-08 03:26 PM

On the digital photography forums that I frequent, Sterlingtek (www.sterlingtek.com) gets consistently excellent recommendations for battery price and quality. I have bought several there myself for my Canon and Olympus cameras. Never had a problem, and the Canon batteries have a higher capacity than the factory models.

cnickgo 03-16-08 03:32 PM

I cheaped out years ago (when 1gb was big and expensive) and got a PNY 1gb CF card. It constantly corrupts at least one exposure per session, no matter how long I wait after each exposure or what I do. The smaller Ultra II from Sandisk that I have is perfect (besides being 256mb). I think it's about time I upgrade cards!

CdCf 03-16-08 04:02 PM

I say go for a bigger card. There is a much greater risk of losing the physical card than losing data on it, so if you have one 4 GB card and can fit all your pics from one session on it, that's better than having two 2 GB cards, where the one you take out can get lost. Ask me how I know... ;)

Pheard 03-16-08 04:06 PM

I realize with how large RAW files are, an 8gb can hold 1000-1500 pics. I'm fairly certain I'm going to get a 8 or 4gb with a few 2 gb backup cards.


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