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Old 03-16-08, 01:42 PM   #1
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Canon Rebel XSi

What do you guys think? I'm in the market for a digital SLR. Anything else I should look at? I want to stay fairly mainstream, like Canon or Nikon. Also, what two lenses should I have?
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Get a nikon.

Don't worry about lenses until you have a functional body. Use the stock lens.
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Old 03-16-08, 05:11 PM   #3
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Eh...I liked the Rebel much better than the d40 when I tried both. Plus the only dealer on the island is overpriced. I'd like a Sony A200 but out here it's either Canon, Nikon, or a complete lack of support or lenses available. My reason for asking about the lenses is that Canon offers a few different kits. Am I better off staying away from kits?
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Kits are best to start out with beacuse you need a body, a battery, a charger, and a lens, and a Memory card to take pics.

Post up the kits and we'll take a look. There are some canon fanboys around here. Aka X136 and allen.
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Well the dealer I'll be going to puts packages together. Can't find their site now, but these are the cameras.

Rebel XTi

Rebel XSi

And this is the full lineup.
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Can't say much unless you let us know what the kit options are and what the choices of lens options are.
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Eh. Which body sounds better? From the description the XSi sounds nicer, but it also kinda makes it sound automatic
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Eh. Which body sounds better? From the description the XSi sounds nicer, but it also kinda makes it sound automatic
The XSi is a higher end model.

Not sure what's "automatic", anything that is automatic most likely has a manual mode as well.
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Depending on the price difference and what's available I'll get the XSi. The kits generally include something like a 30mm lens and a zoom lens of some sort. I have a 45mm and a 135mm now.

Oh yeah, what does the fX.X number mean?
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I believe that number is exposure correct me if I'm wrong someone.
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It's a set number attributed to the lens. Exposure is adjustable, isn't it? Rating of something, I'm sure.

Like in this lens name: EF 180mm f/3.5L Macro USM.

What's that mean?
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What's that mean?
aperture
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Thanks T-Man. My current lenses are a 45mm f2.0 Minolta kit lens that was stock with the camera and a 135mm f2.8 zoom that was purchased afterwards. Can I get similar lenses for the XSi?

EDIT: I fail. The 135mm lens is not a zoom. It's a macro.

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Both canon and nikon have vast choices of lenses. You'll have no problem finding ones you like. Personally, I'd get the canon; they just feel better in my hands and the XSi just looks plain awesome (though i'm yet to play with one). But nikon kit lenses are meant to be a lot better than canon's, so if you're unlikely to be buying better lenses, bear that in mind.

The f number of a lens is the aperture. Basically this means 'size of hole' to let the light in. The smaller the number, the bigger the hole and vice versa.
High f stop = small hole = darker photo (given same shutter speed) = deeper depth of field
Lower f stop = large hole = brighter photo (at a given shutter speed) = shallower DOF

There's an awful lot more to it than that though... but you'll learn that with time.

Hopefully that helped...
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Both canon and nikon have vast choices of lenses. You'll have no problem finding ones you like. Personally, I'd get the canon; they just feel better in my hands and the XSi just looks plain awesome (though i'm yet to play with one). But nikon kit lenses are meant to be a lot better than canon's, so if you're unlikely to be buying better lenses, bear that in mind.

The f number of a lens is the aperture. Basically this means 'size of hole' to let the light in. The smaller the number, the bigger the hole and vice versa.
High f stop = small hole = darker photo (given same shutter speed) = deeper depth of field
Lower f stop = large hole = brighter photo (at a given shutter speed) = shallower DOF

There's an awful lot more to it than that though... but you'll learn that with time.

Hopefully that helped...

Helped a lot. Thanks.

I'll get myself better lenses probably within a year of buying the camera, but a decent kit lens is a bonus. I'd really rather avoid the local Nikon dealer, they're overpriced and the employees are disagreeable and lazy most of the time. Plus, I tried a Nikon d40 and a Canon Rebel XT, I liked the Rebel much much more. I was considering a Sony because I thought my Minolta lenses might fit it, but that belief was shot down and Sony is out again. Looks like the Rebel now.
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i dont like my canon because the lenses cost so much, i miss my pentax because the lenses were cheaper and the anti shake was built into the body. plus it had a lot more battery options.
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I looked at the XTI when I was looking for a new dslr, it was real small in my hands. I went with pentax. It felt better built and is weather resistant. Now that they came out with the k20d, which is 14 mp, I feel even better about my purchase because I know I have a body to upgrade too....
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Unless you know what you want to shoot (eg: interiors = wide angle, wildlife = telephoto, etc.), just go with the kit lens. They have a generally very useful zoom range (which is why they're approximately mimicked by almost all compact point and shoots).

After you've had a couple weeks or months to play around with the camera, you'll probably find yourself wanting a wider/longer/brighter/closer focusing/etc lens. Then is the time to go spend more money on nice lenses.

What particularly did you like about the Rebel XT, just in case we can offer any insights based on that?

Might I suggest considering the extra $$ for the XTi? I understand it has an improved sensor and image processor compared to the XT, and the larger display is surprisingly nice. Of course, you'll be able to take great pictures with an XT, too, but I think the XTi has come down in price enough to be well worth it. And the XSi has some interesting features, too, if you're willing to pay for them.
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The XSi is a great camera. If it feels a bit small in your hands, I'd recommend getting the battery grip for it. Actually, I'd recommend getting the battery grip for it anyway. I use one on my XTi (the predecessor to the XSi) and consider it indispensable.

As to the kit lens, as far as I know, the 18-55 IS is a decent, but not great lens. It will certainly be enough to get you learning and growing with your camera, though! Personally, I'd recommend springing a little for the Sigma 17-70 lens, as it's a very sharp, great walkaround lens. I use mine more than any other lens in my arsenal (which is, granted, only 3 lenses large).

I would definitely choose the XSi over the XTi, though, were money no object. The XSi is going to have better image quality, in part because of the 14bit sensor, and in part because of the new Digic III processor. It's going to perform much better at high ISO, where the XTi will be noticeably more grainy.

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As long as the XSi will run me under a grand or reasonably close, it'll be the choice.

As for what I'm going to do, my priorities lie in action/sports shots.
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I looked at the XTI when I was looking for a new dslr, it was real small in my hands. I went with pentax. It felt better built and is weather resistant. Now that they came out with the k20d, which is 14 mp, I feel even better about my purchase because I know I have a body to upgrade too....
I like the Pentax a lot, actually. Not really viable though, since the closest dealer is on the mainland.
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^^ Bummer, go with what you have close to you. Nikon and cannon got big for a reason, they make great products.So you really can't go wrong, I for some reason, am attracted to small companies, in almost anything I buy.
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Pentax? A small company? Compared to whom?

I know what you mean, though. It's nice that there are viable third parties in this market, be it for the cameras themselves, the lenses, or any number of accessories.

As for the XSi, I accidentally ran across the announcement the other day. It was all ooohs and ahhhs (especially the 14-bit sensor), aside from the switch to Secure Digital from Compact Flash, which got a boo. Of course, that alone certainly isn't enough to make or break the purchase.
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The guys I know who have Pentax cameras only bought them because they'd been shooting Pentax for years. My film cameras are a Minolta and a German-market Voigtlander so I'm out of luck there. Even the new Sonys, which are apparently as close as it gets to old Minoltas, won't take my lenses. Stupid autofocus marketing crap.
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Have you looked around for adapters? I'm pretty sure, with adapters, one can attach a 1950s screwmount Pentax lens to the newest Pentax digital SLRs. Not sure how prevalent cross-brand adapters are, but it may be worth a look.
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