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    In general, do you have a favorable view of public education?

    On the K-12 level?
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    I said "Yes," but I'm from a fairly well-to-do town, and my schools were probably better than most. Still, I can only speak from experience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cal_gundert05 View Post
    I said "Yes," but I'm from a fairly well-to-do town, and my schools were probably better than most. Still, I can only speak from experience.
    That fact is important because when you experience a sub-par school, you will really know the difference.

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    I believe Georgia's education system is a travesty.
    It has more to do with teaching children how to behave in an institutionalized system and very little to do with education.

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    I put "other," because I do not have a favorable view of public education, but not for the standard Right Wing nutbar reason in that every thing funded by tax dollars is demonized as "socialism." I simply think it's not well-funded enough and a lot of politicians do everything they can to cripple it.

    It'll come back to bite us, though.

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    Yes. Public education has served me well. Far better than the local private high school could have hoped to.
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    I voted no. While I think my public high school did a reasonable job (there was certainly room for improvement), I don't think I can say the same about many parts of the country. It has been suggested to me that public school does not do much of anything to show the interconnectedness between subjects.
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    schools in California and in many other states are at the mercy of the teacher's union. In California, teacher's achieve tenure after two years and are pretty much set for life...so they pretty much have to murder someone to get fired...great incentive to provide quality instruction...

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    I'm a bit disappointed in the entire school system, and this country's general philosophy of education. Besides reading and basic math, is there a single subject in school that is relevant to the outside world? and why do we spend 10 years of our lives learning these irrelevant subjects? Not irrelevant to everyone, but not relevant to many. I wish my school had offered applied marine biology, agriculture and gardening, financial planning, tax systems, politics and culture, foreign languages, first aid, nutrition, and computer programming. Maybe some business classes, mechanics, urban structures (electricity, sewer and water), and anything else that would help me in real life.
    when I think about it, there were very few things that I did (or was told to do) in school that were worth the life I gave for them. Why do we not learn about the most fundamental human systems in our culture until we're well beyond secondary education?
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    I don't think there's anything wrong with the idea of public education — in fact, I think it's a fantastic idea — just that it hasn't always done so well in practice. My own schooling was mostly private, partly because of my family moving around all over the place, and partly because of not-so-great experiences in public schools when we were in Canada. My sister stuck it out longer in the public system at a bilingual public school, but after a wasted year with a useless teacher, she moved to a private school, too.

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    I voted for other. As a student in Elementary education I have seen a wide range of schools just in my local area. I have done observations in one of the wealthy local high schools that has a planetarium. Now I am at the other end of the spectrum practicum teaching at a school with a poverty rate of over 80%.

    I had to vote for other because there are very good public schools and there are very bad public schools.

    It really just all comes down to the support the students are getting at home and the support the local schools are getting from the community.
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    I was going to vote Yes...but then I realized: Look what's telling me to do that!

    I won't even start on what I think about John Dewey or his religious beliefs.
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    No I don't. I think it is an old out dated system based on old out dated administrative ideas.

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    As a teacher, I can say that the answer depends on the district. I have taught at one of the worst schools in the state and one of the best, and both were public. No way would I let my kid go to most public schools though.

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    Depends on where you are. The more urban or rural the district, the greater chance you won't think highly of the public schools. That said, a lot of what is gotten out of school is determined by the student.
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    95% of schools in "bad" areas suck and 95% of schools in "great" areas are fantastic but some of the young people in the "great" areas make them suck by trying to act "ghetto" they should just be who they are and stop trying to act like what they see on TV, Id love to see one of those "ghetto wannabes" last 1 hour in North Philly I see them all the time in NP sitting in there parents car ****ting themselves looking as if they are about to get killed all while waiting for the area drug dealer to deliver thier drugs.
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    See I don't think good area vs bad area applies. I think the whole teaching structure needs to be re-evaluated. I was taught in a decent school. The school system and design itself failed me, not the teachers or school itself. I am not an educator however I was a student, school was by far and away the worst place for me to learn. The curriculum was too slow (no, not easy, slow, there is a difference) and too simply (simple as in duhhhh) structured. The

    monday tuesday teach basics
    wednesday pop quiz introduce more advanced topic
    thursday friday evaluate advanced topic and then actual test

    is about the dumbest structure ever. At least in the advanced classes I took. In our system, advanced meant you were being prepped for university. I think that aspect of it needs to be taken more seriously. I don't know how to fix it, but I do know this, generic studies should go the way of the do do. I knew what I wanted to do, forcing me to do generic studies hindered my education, it didn't help. There should be more applicable options instead of the "other" forced structure of credits. You need so many math, so much english, computer science etc. Thats bullcrap. Half the time I sat in school wondering what the point of the topic was.

    Maybe the answer is earlier exposure to career instruction, so kids can get the feel for what and where the jobs are, what they are good at etc. Then they can apply more focus to the instruction in highschool as it applies to what they want?

    Lastly, dump the freaking counselors. They are useless, aptitude testing is about the useful as,...sorry I can't think of anything that useless. Parents need to step in and do this work, counselors in my experience did nothing but ruin my line of thought. The aptitude test says one thing, I said another, the counselors forced my curriculum to go one way.

    Like I said I don't know the answer, but the system did very little for me or any of my friends. Then again, I was best at independent study and hands on trial and error. Schools didn't like or endorse independent thinking.

    Whether or not private is better, I don't know. I never had the chance to go. But I will sure consider it an option if and when I ever have kids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maelstrom View Post
    See I don't think good area vs bad area applies. I think the whole teaching structure needs to be re-evaluated. I was taught in a decent school. The school system and design itself failed me, not the teachers or school itself. I am not an educator however I was a student, school was by far and away the worst place for me to learn. The curriculum was too slow (no, not easy, slow, there is a difference) and too simply (simple as in duhhhh) structured. The

    monday tuesday teach basics
    wednesday pop quiz introduce more advanced topic
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    is about the dumbest structure ever. At least in the advanced classes I took. In our system, advanced meant you were being prepped for university. I think that aspect of it needs to be taken more seriously. I don't know how to fix it, but I do know this, generic studies should go the way of the do do. I knew what I wanted to do, forcing me to do generic studies hindered my education, it didn't help. There should be more applicable options instead of the "other" forced structure of credits. You need so many math, so much english, computer science etc. Thats bullcrap. Half the time I sat in school wondering what the point of the topic was.

    Maybe the answer is earlier exposure to career instruction, so kids can get the feel for what and where the jobs are, what they are good at etc. Then they can apply more focus to the instruction in highschool as it applies to what they want?

    Lastly, dump the freaking counselors. They are useless, aptitude testing is about the useful as,...sorry I can't think of anything that useless. Parents need to step in and do this work, counselors in my experience did nothing but ruin my line of thought. The aptitude test says one thing, I said another, the counselors forced my curriculum to go one way.

    Like I said I don't know the answer, but the system did very little for me or any of my friends. Then again, I was best at independent study and hands on trial and error. Schools didn't like or endorse independent thinking.

    Whether or not private is better, I don't know. I never had the chance to go. But I will sure consider it an option if and when I ever have kids.
    I dont know, It seems funny that the better an area gets the more funding the area schools recieve and vice versa, due to a high score in the Mentally Gifted Program my kid went to one of the better schools (at the time) in the North East section of Philly, but as time went by and a certain race of people began to move into the area not only did the school go down the drain but most of the residents sold and moved away too? coincidence? No, that race of "undesirable people" were no worse than the people already living there, it was pure unadulterated racism that went to work full throttle.
    You see, their morals, their code...it's a bad joke, dropped at the first sign of trouble. They're only as good as the world allows them to be. I'll show you. When the chips are down, these...These "civilized" people...they'll eat each other. See, I'm not a monster. I'm just ahead of the curve

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    Quote Originally Posted by ilikebikes View Post
    I dont know, It seems funny that the better an area gets the more funding the area schools recieve and vice versa, due to a high score in the Mentally Gifted Program my kid went to one of the better schools (at the time) in the North East section of Philly, but as time went by and a certain race of people began to move into the area not only did the school go down the drain but most of the residents sold and moved away too? coincidence? No, that race of "undesirable people" were no worse than the people already living there, it was pure unadulterated racism that went to work full throttle.
    No doubt, I lived in a poor neighbourhood and the schools were average. Maybe I would have had a different opinion if I had been from the other side of the tracks, I will never know.

    I never scored high enough for mentally gifted but was always bored silly in advanced classes, I didn't quite fit in with how the system was designed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Akugluk View Post
    I'm a bit disappointed in the entire school system, and this country's general philosophy of education. Besides reading and basic math, is there a single subject in school that is relevant to the outside world? and why do we spend 10 years of our lives learning these irrelevant subjects? Not irrelevant to everyone, but not relevant to many. I wish my school had offered applied marine biology, agriculture and gardening, financial planning, tax systems, politics and culture, foreign languages, first aid, nutrition, and computer programming. Maybe some business classes, mechanics, urban structures (electricity, sewer and water), and anything else that would help me in real life.
    when I think about it, there were very few things that I did (or was told to do) in school that were worth the life I gave for them. Why do we not learn about the most fundamental human systems in our culture until we're well beyond secondary education?
    those classes are offered at many schools. i personally took botany (agriculture & gardening), a financial planning & tax systems class, many politics & culture classes, 2 years of foreign language, health (became first-aid certified in it & it taught nutrition), & computer courses (not programming, but application in careers). among the courses i did not take (but still offered) were architecture/drafting, auto shop (how to build & design cars, not just fix-em-up), child development (we had a day care at our school in which students worked at in 2-hour blocks), construction & many others. my school & many schools in the area are similar & offer a variety of career & life skills oriented courses. granted they are not offered everywhere, but they are around & quite prevelant. a high school near by even lets students take college courses at the local community college as part of their curriculum, thus giving them college credits they can take with them after graduation. when my friend was in that program the school paid for all or almost all of the tuition costs. i'm not sure when the last time you were involved with the school system was (or where), but i don't think your assessment is on par for today's educational system.

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    I voted no. I agree with some of the others who feel that public schooling is an outmoded concept- it was invented in a largely agrarian society that bears little resemblance to where are now. And, like others have said too- the systems are so completely overburdened, underfunded, and poorly designed that in general (not everywhere, but definitely in most urban and rural districts), they are bound to fail, or at least perform only marginally.

    All that said, I do believe that the state has a vested interest in the education of its citizens. As far as I'm concerned (I'm a faculty member of an Ivy League university, FWIW), this interest should be second only to health. Not nearly enough is done to ensure that education is equitably distributed (yes, it's basically a commodity) and freely available to all. I live in a major city, where the cost per student is in the $5K range. Less than three miles from where I'm typing this right now, the cost is nearly $8K/student, where taxes are higher, the demographic is overwhelmingly white, upper middle class, college-educated, and kids tend to matriculate to top-tier colleges and universities. In this town, the demographic, especially of public school families, is quite the opposite, and they're lucky if they graduate HS. Hardly equitable, and it shows in such horrors as our high school kids not having textbooks. An awful lot of that has to do with tax base, for sure, which means we need to re-think how education is paid for in this country. Property taxes are not the right way to fund education. If we can re-think that model, and come up with a model that funds education equitably, things could change, and only for the better.

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    they're terrible! and i went to a somewhat "decent" public school as well.

    all of our history, social studies, and humanities classes completely protrayed America in only the best light. whole sections of world history were glossed over in a few paragraphs. the only culture we were ever really exposed to was.... well, i can't think of any.

    i had a few wonderful teachers that did the best they could (and i thank them for their service), but the whole system is just not up to par.

    the world is a completely different place from what i learned in school.

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    No....currently the system is not to learn, but to merely be another cog in the machine. If I was offered something challenging through my high school, I may have actually tried...but instead I was literally told I was going to die in the gutter by my teachers. It turned out they were just pissed off that my test scores were throwing the curves off and failing their own children.

    It's not my fault my teachers have low IQs and their kids inhereted it. What's sad is I was aceing tests in my sleep, yet I was never once challenged. Why the hell should I do homework when I have the content down? Teach me and I might be a student....teach me nothing and I will give you nothing....that's how I saw it...we should NOT be reviewing 4th grade math in 6th grade, we should not be reviewing anything from 6th grade in middle school, etc. You either know it, or you don't.

    Education is so watered down that I feel like every class is for 5 year olds....even in college. Honestly, I'd rather learn on my own than get a degree for that reason...college itself is being watered down for he current generation of idiots...and that's sad.
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    it would have been cool to grow up in a place like finland, and come out of school knowing like 4 different languages.

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