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Old 03-17-08, 01:56 AM   #1
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Iexplore Annoyances

Have you ever had this problem, You code in a base tag to open in a defined page but for some reason IE instead opens it in the contents page. Is there some variation to make it also work with IE as it seems to work fine in firefox. Or that just one of the many faults of IE?
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Old 03-17-08, 03:48 AM   #2
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i've been writing html for more than half my life, professionally for 4 years, and i've never once used a base tag. there's probably another way to do what you need to do. i wouldn't doubt there's something wrong with internet explorer though. internet explorer is the source of 90% of my problems as a web developer. usually when issues like this pop up, i curse and then find another way to do it.

internet explorer 8 promises to fix the problems with standards compliance. we'll see if it fixes all the issues around select elements as well...

blah i hate internet explorer. i could go on and on about it.

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Wow. I had to go look it up. Never used a base tag.
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internet explorer 8 promises to fix the problems with standards compliance. we'll see if it fixes all the issues around select elements as well...
Too bad we'll probably be supporting IE6 and 7 for a good year or more afterwards anyway. =\
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internet explorer 8...
What is this internet explorer 8 you speak of? Is it something like Safari or Firefox?
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I use (and require programmers to support) Explorer for the same reason I play Quicksilver at the shop for the fixie guys...it annoys them, but it's part of the lexicon and they have no choice but to live with it.
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What is this internet explorer 8 you speak of? Is it something like Safari or Firefox?
hopefully it's something like Opera, since that's my browser of choice.
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internet explorer 8 promises to fix the problems with standards compliance. we'll see if it fixes all the issues around select elements as well...
This may be true, but think about how Microsoft defines "standards" and "compliance"

Long ago, before Windows, Bill Gates was addressing the challenge of DR DOS, the most widely available competitor at the time for the desktop... Sure, theree was CP/M but it was fading into its role as a historic footnote.

His analysis of the competition was that people should choose MS DOS instead of DR DOS because DR DOS wasn't compliant with standards... and there were no published standard, so the only possible explanation is that the standard is defined as whatever Microsoft does. They might pay lip service to standards, but I am convinced that this is still Microsoft's stance.

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They might pay lip service to standards, but I am convinced that this is still Microsoft's stance.

You might be right, but I'm actually starting to suspect that they're turning over a new leaf when it comes to interoperability.

As of recently, they're opening up a lot of their file formats and APIs for use with Open Source software providers. It's sort of a "can't beat 'em then join 'em" approach where they hope to make people who depend on Open Source apps still dependent on their own semi-proprietary stuff in some way shape or form. I think Microsoft's promise of true standards compliance in IE8 is in step with this trend toward interoperability. They actually *want* developers to use Internet Explorer, not just n00b users, because they're trying to sell their new development platforms, like .NET, VS 2008 and the new Windows Server.

Outside of the operating system market, Microsoft faces extremely fierce competition from companies like Adobe, Sun, and Google. For too long Microsoft's business model has been "we're Microsoft, we know what's best so **** you" and developers have been jumping ship since the late 90s. Things like ASP/VbScript, IIS6 and MS SQL have been all but forsaken by *better* development platforms such as Adobe's Coldfusion, the free PHP, MySQL, Apache, Oracle, etc. Something like 95% of the web runs on open source software.

If Microsoft wants to succeed in these secondary markets, they can no longer rely on their name alone to sell their development and administration platforms (because their name means jack all right now). They actually need, to have a better product. And they're moving in this direction.

Their latest step in the direction of actually competing in the developer market is the new Expression Studio / Silverlight software which is a half-baked attempt at copying Adobe's CS3 Studio, but a serious step in the right direction in terms of their software offerings in a market that Microsoft has all but lost hold of.

So, I think things are changing for Microsoft in terms of standards compliance, because this will be absolutely crucial to their success in these markets in the future.
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Thanks for the pointers it is appreciated. As far as it goes I have only heard mention of this iexplore 8 and so far all I know is you need to add a meta name to insure that it works with iexplore 8. Still working on it, funny thing firefox does just fine with it. The links works properly and its smooth, like it was meant to be. So whether it just a microsoft issue that I cannot say. The base tag I only heard of recently. I am quite early in learning the language that is html. So I saw it on w3schools and it seemed to make sense so I gave it a try. Seems to make things easier. Then again there is the other side of the argument that it can cause other incompatible problems.

Still working on it though, Not sure how many took the time to take a look at the site your feedback would be appreciated. I figured I would start working with more css and see where it goes from there. Keep the replies coming I appreciate the insight.

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One of the reasons for Firefox to do so well is because Firefox is W3C compliant. I just viewed the site in both FF and IE8 and had good performance on both, by the way.
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One of the reasons for Firefox to do so well is because Firefox is W3C compliant. I just viewed the site in both FF and IE8 and had good performance on both, by the way.
I appreciate that, sometimes it may be something to do with how long it takes for the site to update, all the cache pages, maybe that is all it was or perhaps next time I modify the code the same problem will occur once more. I stand with firefox because they seem to work wonderfully well. Standards are good, particularly when most sites still use html or a variation of because it follows the standards.

You have had a chance to beta test ie 8 do you see a considerable difference over previous versions?

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