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Old 10-29-03, 11:16 AM   #1
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Lock them up and throw away the keys

As a mother everytime I hear or read about cases like this I want to puke. These foster parents that starved their 4 adopted sons should be killed!
The 19 year old boy was only 45 pounds!
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/...in580155.shtml
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Old 10-29-03, 11:24 AM   #2
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I think most people would agree with you, but it won't happen.
It would seem that DHS did a less than thorough interview with this couple. They definitely had no business putting the children in that house.
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Old 10-29-03, 12:10 PM   #3
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As a mother everytime I hear or read about cases like this I want to puke. These foster parents that starved their 4 adopted sons should be killed!
The 19 year old boy was only 45 pounds!
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/...in580155.shtml
And feed them the same diet. It is obvious they just wanted the money from the state.
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Old 10-29-03, 12:29 PM   #4
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Very unbelievable for things to happen like this.

It shows the short comings of over buracy, and the lack of personal accountability. Beyond the parent, the system failed. And the people who have the public trust to enforce the system, who didn't have the integerity to do thier job correctly, should be held just as accountable.
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Old 10-29-03, 07:51 PM   #5
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These people deserve nothing less than starvation until death. Then at the very last few days give them a jar of Jalapino peppers and a glass of urine to wash them down with just to make them sick.

Or save time by just shooting them inch by inch up their bodies from the feet until a bullet finally hits a fatal blow.

I'm not sick, just vindictive. These poor kids got hell. The parents deserve worse than hell.
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Old 10-29-03, 09:02 PM   #6
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yeah this is big news in the philly area right now... i live only a couple miles away from the place
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Old 10-30-03, 04:51 AM   #7
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The really sad part is these people will probably get the kids back even if they are convicted.
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Old 10-30-03, 01:35 PM   #8
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[QUOTE=SamDaBikinMan]These people deserve nothing less than starvation until death. Then at the very last few days give them a jar of Jalapino peppers and a glass of urine to wash them down.[QUOTE]

Yes but mash the Jalapino peppers in there eyes first.
They are some sick sick people!!!
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Old 10-30-03, 01:56 PM   #9
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If they get jail time (and I hope they do!!) the other inmates in prison will "take care of them".
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Old 10-30-03, 02:39 PM   #10
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A lot of noise has been made lately about game hunters again getting access to kill certain top predators, ie CDN Grizzlies in BC, to the outrage of many (myself included). I've never understood these peoples need to kill, I think it stems from personal insecurities. Now on the other hand we have "people" like these who deserve nothing better than death. Do I need to spell out the win win win situation we could have here?
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Old 10-30-03, 03:04 PM   #11
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A lot of noise has been made lately about game hunters again getting access to kill certain top predators, ie CDN Grizzlies in BC, to the outrage of many (myself included). I've never understood these peoples need to kill, I think it stems from personal insecurities. Now on the other hand we have "people" like these who deserve nothing better than death. Do I need to spell out the win win win situation we could have here?
Now thats' a contradiction. It sounds like you understand "killing" better than you are willing to admit, eh?
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I was shocked and dismayed when I read this news story. There are so many sick people in the world.

Another story that has made me sick the last couple of days is the one about the serial killer in the Seattle area.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/...in581112.shtml
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Old 11-06-03, 12:17 AM   #13
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Another story that has made me sick the last couple of days is the one about the serial killer in the Seattle area.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/...in581112.shtml
They played the hearing live on the radio at work today it was very disturbing, he was just so mater of fact about it. I had to shut it off way to eerie for me. The only good thing is that he is off the streets I just don't think justice was served. But the whole thing was very complicated and was going to drag on for years at least they are recovering most of the bodies so the family's can have some sort of closure. I predict he will go the same way Dahlmer did.
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Old 11-06-03, 12:59 AM   #14
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Reading this article just makes me angry at how some people can be so inhumane. This pair needs to be thrown in prison for a very long time.
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Old 11-06-03, 01:25 AM   #15
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As sick as this is, it is more common then most believe. My mom worked for the county school district, which is where handicapped children go to school. I volunteered their for a summer when I was younger. A fairly high percentage of these children are in foster homes, and you can tell alot of these foster parents select these kids for the sole purpose of receiving more money. They get more money for handicapped children then normal children. There are still ALOT of good foster parents out there who do it for the right reasons and not for the money.
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Old 11-06-03, 12:28 PM   #16
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There are still ALOT of good foster parents out there who do it for the right reasons and not for the money.
Interesting... I have never met one. Those that aren't doing it for the money are religious fanatics who are taking foster children just so they can brainwash them.
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That is a bit harsh Cycletourist. I remember one small kid that was in the class I was volunteering for. He was 5 years old at the time, but about the size of a 3-4 year old kid, his mom was a alcaholic so he was handicapped because of this. His foster parents only had him no other children, if anything they spoiled him there is no way they got enough money from the state to cover how well they treated him. There are good people out there, just you hear or notice the bad ones more often when someone does something write it is not written up in a newspaper or even goes noticed most of the time.
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Interesting... I have never met one. Those that aren't doing it for the money are religious fanatics who are taking foster children just so they can brainwash them.
Maybe you need to meet more usually these religous fanantics, and the abusers are a minority. But you never hear about the good ones do you? They are out. Remember Richard Nixon saying there is a "silent majority" he may of had the demographics wrong but it is true that there is a quiet maroity out thewre that does not get the press coverage, bercause no one would watch it, to boring.
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Toss them in the general population in prison, let their transgression be known, they'll get what they deserve... In no way an excuse, but I bet a lot of inmates grew up in homes with less than affectionate foster parents.
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Interesting... I have never met one. Those that aren't doing it for the money are religious fanatics who are taking foster children just so they can brainwash them.
Very Harsh,

My wife is a Social Worker in a Foster Program. I have met most the parents she supervises, their motivation sure as hell isn't the money which is pathetic, they don't seem to be religious zealots or brainwashers. For the most part they are couples who can't have children and love them, or their children have grown and left the nest and they are filling a need to be parental. In speaking with them a large majority of her foster parents are in the program hoping to adopt the children they care for. As for the children, approximately 1/2 of her case load are medically fragile high demand children, either abused, or born addicted to the drugs that their mother was taking while she was pregnant with permanent and disabling problems. The health problems are horrendous as is the care the foster parents must provide to sustain and improve those children's lives. I know of one family in particular that has served more than 30 children over the years and adopted 12 of those legally, and mind you after the adoption all monetary stipends cease. Her program also has a division for children with MR/DD, they don't pay any more than the medically fragile program, and there is no way they can pay what it's worth for the services that have to be provided.

To me the worst thing about the whole situation is that our courts have a goal of reintegrating these children with their biological, parents who are often drug addicts, alcholoics and abusers. They are constantly taking children from foster homes where they are cared for and about, and placing them back with parents who go right back to their drugs, alcohol, abuse and frequently back to jail. Yet our society seems to think it's a fault of the foster care, with total disregard for why they ended up in foster care to begin with.

I will grant you there are most likely people out there in it for the money no matter how meager it may be, BUT I can't stomach a generalization like yours that reflects poorly on the MAJORITY of quality Foster Parents out there.

I would also like to respond to Buzzbombs comment and say that I would be willing to bet that a far greater number of those prisoners are parents of children who are being served by foster parents because of their parents indiscretions (to put it extremely kindly), resulting in their incarceration.

I speak from far too many years of experience including going to the hospital with my DW at 3 & 4 in the morning to comfort and support foster parents who are heart broken because their foster child's heart monitor has gone off again, or because they had stopped breathing or any of the multiple medical problems these children endure because of their biolgical parents actions has flared up again. I've been to many of the agency functions and seen the parents who bought a special van and paid for the retrofit out of their own pockets so they could get their foster child in their wheel chair with their heart monitors to appointments. And I have seen the love and decency with which those children are treated as well as the broken hearts when one of those children die.

Sorry, I have to be so defensive but I am really offended when people refer to foster parents as something less than biological parents. In all probability I suspect an investigation of the facts would reveal that far more children are abused and neglected by biological parents than they are by foster parents, and if biologial parents were so great or better than foster parents logically there would be far less need for foster parents.

Now I think I need to go hug my kids!
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Ohio Trekker, my comment about prisoners is in no way an indictment of the foster parent program. I certainly did not mean to imply that most foster parents don't do an outstanding job given some tough circumstances. I have children myself, and can't imagine opening my heart and home to a child who could be yanked from me after I invest so much emotion and time into them, only to be given back to someone who has already proven to be a lousy parent. Those who do this over and over have my admiration and gratitude for what they do. I worked with a guy who was a foster parent, and this gentleman's only concern was for the welfare of the children he sheltered. He certainly wasn't doing it for the money. My apologies for not being more specific with my comment.
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Buzzbomb,

No need for an apology at all. I didn't see your post as a reflection on foster parenting, but rather a social comment with regards to to the number of foster children who end up in jail. My PERSONAL opinion is that the children have problems to begin with or they wouldn't be in foster care, the fact that foster children do end up in jail to me is not a result of their being foster children but more likely a culmination of problems starting before they even became foster children.

I did apologize for my defensiveness, and my only intention was to voice a counter-opinion to generalizations I have heard far too many times based on perceptions rather than experience and facts. Please accept my post as such, and not as an attack on you.
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