Cycling and bicycle discussion forums. 
   Click here to join our community Log in to access your Control Panel  


Go Back   > >

Foo Off-Topic chit chat with no general subject.

User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 03-22-08, 08:20 PM   #1
phantomcow2
la vache fantôme
Thread Starter
 
phantomcow2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: NH
Bikes:
Posts: 6,266
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
In 10 years..

Do you feel that the standard of living for the average American will have increased or decreased?
__________________
C://dos
C://dos.run
run.dos.run
phantomcow2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-08, 08:32 PM   #2
Michigander
Senior Member
 
Michigander's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Bikes: Giant ATX 1200, Schwinn Peleton
Posts: 1,724
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 119 Post(s)
It's one of those things that's really hard to tell for sure, but the odds point towards decreasing, short of some huge improvement where the people of this country pull their heads from their asses, and stop electing incompetent and fully corrupt twits, and shopping at places like Walmart.
__________________
Bring back the Sig Test!


(\__/)
(='.'=)
(")_(")
Michigander is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-08, 09:56 PM   #3
twahl
Tom (ex)Builder
 
twahl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Manassas, VA
Bikes: Specialized Allez
Posts: 2,814
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Good chance of it decreasing I'd say, but a lot depends on how you judge it. Right now many people are starting to hurt from their ability to live well beyond their means being brought to a halt. That's causing a huge pinch on the overall economy, and those people are finding themselves in serious trouble. I disagree with Mich in that I don't think it has a lot to do with who is in office. The banks got greedy and overextended themselves, and they dragged the housing and automobile industries along for the ride. That's a recipe for a hell of a train wreck.
__________________
Tom

"It hurts so good..."
twahl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-08, 10:11 PM   #4
Kommisar89
Bottecchia fan
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Colorado Springs, CO
Bikes: 1959 Bottecchia Professional (frame), 1966 Bottecchia Professional (in progress...), 1971 Bottecchia Professional (frame), 1973 Bottecchia Gran Turismo, 1974 Bottecchia Special (in progress...), 1977 Bottecchia Special (frame), 1974 Peugeot UO-8
Posts: 3,425
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
It also depends a lot on how you measure standard of living. In an absolute sense in may remain constant or even improve as technology makes things cheaper but studies have shown that beyond the minimum needed for subsistance, improved standard of living only brings increased happiness if you are better off relative to your neighbor. That said, globalization is likely to begin improving the standard of living of people in developing countries like India and China much faster than in the developed countries of the west so people like me (in the US) are likely to perceive themselves as having a lower standard of living regardless of what it is in absolute terms.
Kommisar89 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-08, 10:19 PM   #5
phantomcow2
la vache fantôme
Thread Starter
 
phantomcow2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: NH
Bikes:
Posts: 6,266
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Well regardless, less developed countries can see much faster rates of change than developed countries than the US can. In order for us to see improvements, we must innovate. In order for less developed countries to see improvement, they must imitate.

My concern is that with the cost of bare consumables (food and energy) increasing so rapidly, that it will take more and more of our income to finance these necessities. Will the prices ever stabilize?
__________________
C://dos
C://dos.run
run.dos.run
phantomcow2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-08, 10:41 PM   #6
Dogbait
lunatic fringe
 
Dogbait's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Miles from Nowhere, Columbia County, OR
Bikes: 1980 Schwinn World Sport, 1982 Schwinn Super Le Tour, 1984 (?) Univega Single Speed/Fixed conversion, Kogswell G58 fixed gear, 1987 Schwinn Super Sport
Posts: 1,111
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by phantomcow2 View Post
.......................................

................My concern is that with the cost of bare consumables (food and energy) increasing so rapidly, that it will take more and more of our income to finance these necessities. Will the prices ever stabilize?
Prices, in my experience, don't ever stabilize... they just go up. When I got out of the Navy in 1967, bread was $0.29 a loaf, gas was $0.32 a gallon, my take home pay in a blue collar job was $103.00 per week and my rent for a studio apartment was $105.00 a month. I was able to afford a new VW, at $97.00 per month and life was comfortable.

Today, I am retired on just under $60,000.00 a year, bread is $3.00, gas is (as of this afternoon) $3.26 a gallon and I can afford my 2001 mini van (46,000 miles on it) at $158.00 per month. My house is paid for but I rent the space it floats on for $347.00 a month. Life is comfortable, I have bought more toys than I have time to use and I am actually able to save a little money. With the built in cost of living adjustments in my two retirement accounts, I don't expect to be eating cat food any time soon.
Dogbait is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-08, 10:43 PM   #7
v1k1ng1001
Gorntastic!
 
v1k1ng1001's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: United States of Mexico
Bikes:
Posts: 3,424
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
decrease
__________________
v1k1ng1001 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-08, 10:51 PM   #8
twahl
Tom (ex)Builder
 
twahl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Manassas, VA
Bikes: Specialized Allez
Posts: 2,814
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Prices will stabilize, but first they need to correct. Housing got stupid because there were so many more people qualifying than should have been able to. Middle class began migrating to McMansions, and now those people are sitting in houses that they paid $700k for but are worth $450k in today's market, and they are suffereing from negative equity, especially since many of them used the equity gained from the ridiculous growth to finance other things, like cars. They can't afford to move because they can't get their money back out, and they can't afford to stay. While they may not have lost income, with the cost of other necessities going up, they may as well have.

Let's do some math here...the SUV they commute in gets 15 miles to the gallon and they live 30 miles from work. That's 4 gallons a day times 5 days a week. At $2.30 per gallon, the gas bill used to be $46 per week for the commute. Now gas is $3.20 a gallon and the bill is $64 per week. That's like taking a $1000 a year reduction in pay. By the time you throw in the increases of cost in food, etc. due to that same fuel price increase, you've made a mortgage payment on the McMansion. Something's gotta give somewhere, and you can't get rid of the SUV because trade in value on it sucks now cause nobody wants it.

These are holes that people have dug for themselves, and if you've been playing that game you're in trouble. On the other hand, if you haven't been playing the game, your credit is good and it's a hell of a time to buy a house. We plan to before summer, and the market looks good from where I'm standing, even though our current equity in our condo is now something like $75k rather than $175k, but single family homes around here have dropped like $200k, so we've gained on the market while maintaining great credit and having reduced out debt load to almost nothing outside of our mortgage. It's sunny on my side of the financial street.
__________________
Tom

"It hurts so good..."
twahl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-08, 11:53 PM   #9
mrbubbles
?
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Bikes:
Posts: 2,776
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by twahl View Post
Prices will stabilize, but first they need to correct. Housing got stupid because there were so many more people qualifying than should have been able to. Middle class began migrating to McMansions, and now those people are sitting in houses that they paid $700k for but are worth $450k in today's market, and they are suffereing from negative equity, especially since many of them used the equity gained from the ridiculous growth to finance other things, like cars. They can't afford to move because they can't get their money back out, and they can't afford to stay. While they may not have lost income, with the cost of other necessities going up, they may as well have.

Let's do some math here...the SUV they commute in gets 15 miles to the gallon and they live 30 miles from work. That's 4 gallons a day times 5 days a week. At $2.30 per gallon, the gas bill used to be $46 per week for the commute. Now gas is $3.20 a gallon and the bill is $64 per week. That's like taking a $1000 a year reduction in pay. By the time you throw in the increases of cost in food, etc. due to that same fuel price increase, you've made a mortgage payment on the McMansion. Something's gotta give somewhere, and you can't get rid of the SUV because trade in value on it sucks now cause nobody wants it.

These are holes that people have dug for themselves, and if you've been playing that game you're in trouble. On the other hand, if you haven't been playing the game, your credit is good and it's a hell of a time to buy a house. We plan to before summer, and the market looks good from where I'm standing, even though our current equity in our condo is now something like $75k rather than $175k, but single family homes around here have dropped like $200k, so we've gained on the market while maintaining great credit and having reduced out debt load to almost nothing outside of our mortgage. It's sunny on my side of the financial street.
Who knew not joining the Joneses would pay off?

As for the holes people dug for themselves, I somewhat disagree. The shovels for digging the holes are given by the industries (auto, retail, housing) who caused this whole mess in the first place. Take this shovel away and this mess would not have happened.
mrbubbles is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-23-08, 01:00 AM   #10
KrisPistofferson
Immoderator
 
KrisPistofferson's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: POS Tennessee
Bikes: Gary Fisher Simple City 8, Litespeed Obed
Posts: 7,630
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Decrease, but this may not necessarily be a bad thing. This epidemic of living beyond one's means may not be as widespread, and people might just honestly evaluate their needs more than they do now. Bicycles will definitely still be around.
KrisPistofferson is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-23-08, 05:53 AM   #11
twahl
Tom (ex)Builder
 
twahl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Manassas, VA
Bikes: Specialized Allez
Posts: 2,814
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrbubbles View Post
Who knew not joining the Joneses would pay off?

As for the holes people dug for themselves, I somewhat disagree. The shovels for digging the holes are given by the industries (auto, retail, housing) who caused this whole mess in the first place. Take this shovel away and this mess would not have happened.
I don't feel that you can blame industry for offering bad decisions for people to make. They aren't bad decisions for everyone, it's up to the consumer to be educated about their own finances and make responsible decisions. On the other hand, offering those shovels so freely is a bad decision that is hurting industry every bit as much as they have hurt the consumer.
__________________
Tom

"It hurts so good..."
twahl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-23-08, 08:20 AM   #12
mude
Baned.
 
mude's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Bikes:
Posts: 3,992
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by twahl View Post
Prices will stabilize, but first they need to correct. Housing got stupid because there were so many more people qualifying than should have been able to. Middle class began migrating to McMansions, and now those people are sitting in houses that they paid $700k for but are worth $450k in today's market, and they are suffereing from negative equity, especially since many of them used the equity gained from the ridiculous growth to finance other things, like cars. They can't afford to move because they can't get their money back out, and they can't afford to stay. While they may not have lost income, with the cost of other necessities going up, they may as well have.

Let's do some math here...the SUV they commute in gets 15 miles to the gallon and they live 30 miles from work. That's 4 gallons a day times 5 days a week. At $2.30 per gallon, the gas bill used to be $46 per week for the commute. Now gas is $3.20 a gallon and the bill is $64 per week. That's like taking a $1000 a year reduction in pay. By the time you throw in the increases of cost in food, etc. due to that same fuel price increase, you've made a mortgage payment on the McMansion. Something's gotta give somewhere, and you can't get rid of the SUV because trade in value on it sucks now cause nobody wants it.

These are holes that people have dug for themselves, and if you've been playing that game you're in trouble. On the other hand, if you haven't been playing the game, your credit is good and it's a hell of a time to buy a house. We plan to before summer, and the market looks good from where I'm standing, even though our current equity in our condo is now something like $75k rather than $175k, but single family homes around here have dropped like $200k, so we've gained on the market while maintaining great credit and having reduced out debt load to almost nothing outside of our mortgage. It's sunny on my side of the financial street.
HAHA I could tell you were from NOVA without even looking at your location.
__________________
5000
mude is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-23-08, 07:21 PM   #13
Michigander
Senior Member
 
Michigander's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Bikes: Giant ATX 1200, Schwinn Peleton
Posts: 1,724
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 119 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by phantomcow2 View Post
My concern is that with the cost of bare consumables (food and energy) increasing so rapidly, that it will take more and more of our income to finance these necessities. Will the prices ever stabilize?
At SKS boards and FALfiles this has been talked about a lot. Food you can grow yourself, electricity you can get from sun and wind, heat you can get from electricity. You can can your own food that you grow, and live very cheaply. If you have a very limited income in times of sickening inflation and government spending, it can be a great way to get by. It's also good if you just want to be efficient, healthy, and not a contributer to climate problems.
__________________
Bring back the Sig Test!


(\__/)
(='.'=)
(")_(")
Michigander is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-23-08, 07:52 PM   #14
Alfster 
long time visiter
 
Alfster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: in the Northern Tundra
Bikes: 2005 Trek 6700 disc 2007 Orbea Onix 2009 Raleigh One Way
Posts: 615
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Michigander View Post
At SKS boards and FALfiles this has been talked about a lot. Food you can grow yourself, electricity you can get from sun and wind, heat you can get from electricity. You can can your own food that you grow, and live very cheaply. If you have a very limited income in times of sickening inflation and government spending, it can be a great way to get by. It's also good if you just want to be efficient, healthy, and not a contributer to climate problems.
Most people living in my area don't know how to grow a carrot, let alone live fully off nature. It would be a stretch to get more than 1% of the population to consider even 1/2 of what you are proposing. We do grow our own vegetables and freeze some of them for the winter, however the thought of living off the sun to generate electricity is an expensive proposition.

I can't remember the name of the show, however there's a British show on energy conservation pitting 2 families against each other to see who can produce the least carbon emmisions. Great concept, but once again it seems expensive to get set up.

BTW, great to see you posting here again Michigander.
Alfster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-23-08, 07:52 PM   #15
USAZorro
Señor Member
 
USAZorro's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Florence, KY
Bikes: 1954 Hetchins M.O., 1959 Viking Severn Valley, 1970 Raleigh Pro, 1972 Fuji "The Finest", 1974 Raleigh Superbe&Comp, 1976 Raleigh Team Pro, 1996 Giant Iguana, 2000 Bob Jackson Arrowhead
Posts: 14,567
Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 67 Post(s)
The garden is definitely getting higher priority this year. Hopefully someone will wake up and repeal the stupid ethanol mandate so that food prices can return towards normal.

I'm still trying to figure out how a 20% increase in worldwide demand for petrolium translates into a 400% price increase. Someone's been lining their pockets by artificially driving prices up. It will be good for the US to return to some fiscal sanity, but it doesn't look from here like we'll be living more affluently in 10 years - although we might find the average household in better financial circumstances.
__________________
In search of what to search for.
USAZorro is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-23-08, 08:02 PM   #16
mlts22 
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Bikes:
Posts: 998
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I think its fear. Because no oil refineries have been built in decades, there is an artifical limit of gasoline. Same with oil. Then, when something that people think might even remotely affects production or a refinery, such as someone lighting a fart in the immediate 500 mile vicinity, people panic, and prices ratchet up.
mlts22 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-24-08, 01:17 AM   #17
SingingSabre 
BF's Level 12 Wizard
 
SingingSabre's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Tucson, AZ
Bikes: Diamondback Sorrento turned Xtracycle commuter
Posts: 1,425
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
We already work more hours for less money and have less family time and more stress...

I'd say standard of living has already decreased.
__________________
Shameless plug (my sites):
Work
Photography
Vanity
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bklyn
Obviously, the guy's like a 12th level white wizard or something. His mere presence is a danger to mortals.
SingingSabre is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-24-08, 05:51 AM   #18
Tom Stormcrowe
Out fishing with Annie on his lap, a cigar in one hand and a ginger ale in the other, watching the sunset.
 
Tom Stormcrowe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: South Florida
Bikes: Techna Wheelchair and a Sun EZ 3 Recumbent Trike
Posts: 16,118
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Well, for me it'll increase. By then, I'll have my PhD and doing therapy for all the rich people feeling guilty about their ill gotten gains.

This is not to mention all the patients for stress related Psychological problems (I'm kidding you know )
__________________
. “He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.”- Fredrick Nietzsche

"We can judge the heart of a man by his treatment of animals." - Immanuel Kant
Tom Stormcrowe is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-24-08, 07:06 AM   #19
phantomcow2
la vache fantôme
Thread Starter
 
phantomcow2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: NH
Bikes:
Posts: 6,266
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by SingingSabre View Post
We already work more hours for less money and have less family time and more stress...

I'd say standard of living has already decreased.
I have to agree here. It seems like the US is moving toward working more, while Europe appears to be working less. Given that the industrial revolution is in our past, that means this is backwards movement.
__________________
C://dos
C://dos.run
run.dos.run
phantomcow2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-24-08, 07:46 AM   #20
CyLowe97
Up on the Down Side
 
CyLowe97's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Chicago(ish)
Bikes:
Posts: 6,330
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Reducing The Want Factor in one's life leads to a stabilized contentment in life (The Want Factor: "I have an iPod with all my music that works fine, but I want the new one..... I have a cell phone that works, but I want that new one.... Etc).

Many have confused want with need, in part encouraged by a government that says we need to consume to keep the economy rolling, in part to Keep Up With The Joneses, which leads to a wasting of hard earned resources on things that do not make life better. The things wanted often lead to short term gratification, yet long term yearning for something better.

It's not about working more. Trust me on that. My wife left a high paying job to raise our kids. It's about separating the things you need from the things you want. I want more stuff in my life, but my kids need a parent at home more than we need two incomes to keep up with the Jones.

Keeping up with the Joneses is a losing game that leads to discontent. I'm much more content having less stuff, even if it means tightening belts to make a single income family situation work.

Want less, Prioritizing Needs = Higher Standard of Living

Last edited by CyLowe97; 03-24-08 at 07:58 AM.
CyLowe97 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-24-08, 08:42 AM   #21
SingingSabre 
BF's Level 12 Wizard
 
SingingSabre's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Tucson, AZ
Bikes: Diamondback Sorrento turned Xtracycle commuter
Posts: 1,425
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by CyLowe97 View Post
Reducing The Want Factor in one's life leads to a stabilized contentment in life (The Want Factor: "I have an iPod with all my music that works fine, but I want the new one..... I have a cell phone that works, but I want that new one.... Etc).

Many have confused want with need, in part encouraged by a government that says we need to consume to keep the economy rolling, in part to Keep Up With The Joneses, which leads to a wasting of hard earned resources on things that do not make life better. The things wanted often lead to short term gratification, yet long term yearning for something better.

It's not about working more. Trust me on that. My wife left a high paying job to raise our kids. It's about separating the things you need from the things you want. I want more stuff in my life, but my kids need a parent at home more than we need two incomes to keep up with the Jones.

Keeping up with the Joneses is a losing game that leads to discontent. I'm much more content having less stuff, even if it means tightening belts to make a single income family situation work.

Want less, Prioritizing Needs = Higher Standard of Living
Easier to quote Sheryl Crow... "It's not about getting what you want, it's wanting what you got."
__________________
Shameless plug (my sites):
Work
Photography
Vanity
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bklyn
Obviously, the guy's like a 12th level white wizard or something. His mere presence is a danger to mortals.
SingingSabre is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-25-08, 06:59 PM   #22
Michigander
Senior Member
 
Michigander's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Bikes: Giant ATX 1200, Schwinn Peleton
Posts: 1,724
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 119 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alfster View Post
Most people living in my area don't know how to grow a carrot, let alone live fully off nature. It would be a stretch to get more than 1% of the population to consider even 1/2 of what you are proposing. We do grow our own vegetables and freeze some of them for the winter, however the thought of living off the sun to generate electricity is an expensive proposition.

I can't remember the name of the show, however there's a British show on energy conservation pitting 2 families against each other to see who can produce the least carbon emmisions. Great concept, but once again it seems expensive to get set up.

BTW, great to see you posting here again Michigander.
Stupidity and ignorance should be painful, and it is. Tough **** for those who don't want to learn.

If you feel like registering at FALfiles for no other reason than to read up on it, there is a great thread in survival and preparedness about making your own solar panels. They can be made remarkably cheaply. You can use semi used golf cart batteries as a means to store power during the night. It's not terribly difficult or expensive. Canning you can find out about in almost any cookbook found on a home shelf in the united states. Space heaters are a plug in and go item.

If you wanted to get real fancy, you could make your own E85 with a moonshine still. Sure, taxes, house payments, and insurance and things are inevitable, but you positively can live cheaply and in an environmentally friendly manner without trying too hard.

As for me being back posting, I have no intentions of staying long. What I will say I am still agitated over the situation, and I have found myself working about 70 hours a week for at least the next month, so even if I wasn't still annoyed, I wouldn't be able to post much for the time being.
__________________
Bring back the Sig Test!


(\__/)
(='.'=)
(")_(")
Michigander is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-25-08, 07:03 PM   #23
ModoVincere
Riding Heaven's Highways on the grand tour
 
ModoVincere's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Bikes:
Posts: 1,675
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Kind of like Tom here.
I expect a slight decrease in life quality amongst the generally population, primarily related to housing and credit issues that are occuring now.
For myself, 10 yrs from now I should be living in Florida on the beach somewhere, or on an Island in the Carribean somewhere.
__________________
1 bronze, 0 silver, 1 gold
ModoVincere is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-25-08, 07:09 PM   #24
crtreedude 
Third World Layabout
 
crtreedude's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Costa Rica
Bikes: Cannondale F900 and Tandem
Posts: 3,075
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 100 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom Stormcrowe View Post
Well, for me it'll increase. By then, I'll have my PhD and doing therapy for all the rich people feeling guilty about their ill gotten gains.

This is not to mention all the patients for stress related Psychological problems (I'm kidding you know )
Don't expect me to be one of your patients - nothing personal of course. Not a guilty bone in my body.
crtreedude is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-26-08, 03:50 PM   #25
trsidn 
parched member
 
trsidn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Putting the 'fun' in dysfunctional
Bikes: Cannondale CAAD8, Trek SU200
Posts: 291
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 196 Post(s)
Decrease.

The earth can probably hold about 2 billion people at the current US standard of living. We are at 6 and counting.

China and india have a rapidly growing middle class, they are all going to want cars. They are not finding too much new oil.

Not to mention the climate changing (whatever the cause).
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by ElJamoquio View Post
.... Other than being completely wrong, you're correct.
trsidn is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 04:06 PM.