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Old 10-29-03, 10:19 PM   #1
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Ok, I seemed to notice that lots of people here had motorcycles. So I figure you all are the first to hear this. I'm thinking about buying one, and I have one in my sights, used, 1999 zx-6r. Its good on the miles and it has a clear title and has never been layed down. Called the insurance co, and am almost ready to go, when I realize I have parents, bummer. So now I need to convince my parents that motorcycles are in fact as safe as my bike and that there should be no problem with me having one. I really do not need their approval, I'm just the type that likes to keep them on my good side, after all its free room and board for 3 months out of the year

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Old 10-29-03, 10:46 PM   #2
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Motorcycles can be very dangerous, don't kid yourself. That being said, they can also be a lot of fun and great when it comes to parking. If you do get one:
1) be very careful
2) be very careful
3) Just because your bike goes >100mph with ease does not mean you should do it.
4) every ******* in a dropped Honda wants to race, you do not need to prove your bike is faster. It is self evident.
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So now I need to convince my parents that motorcycles are in fact as safe as my bike
I have been riding mx, road racing and on the street for 25 years now and have found that a motorcycle is only as safe as the rider.If you can keep your right hand from getting twist happy and properly modulate the brakes in a panic situation you should be safer on a motorcycle then your bike because you will have power to get your self out of bad situation.

Have you road before? If not I would say hold off on a street bike, get your self an enduro and go practice on dirt. The skills you will learn there will make you a better rider when you hit the street. Plus, the enduro will allow you to still ride on the street. Granted it does not have the "cool factor" as the crotch rocket but it will be better to learn on.

Convincing parents to allow you to get your first bike will be tough. My suggestion would be to take a riding course from the "Motorcycle Safety Foundation" which will allow you to get a liscense when you finish it, it will lower your insurance rate and will make your parents feel beter about you riding on the street. It will also show them that you are going to be a responsible rider.

Do you always wear a helmet on your bicycle? If not, your folks may think you will not wear one on a motorcycle ( I am not sure what the laws are in your state ).

Good luck
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I'm open for every class I can get into, I want to be safe on a bike, after all the goal here is to have fun, not die. I'm a safe person, so until I finish the classes, I'll start riding more than around the block. I'm not going to take chances, its really not worth it, like racing, since I can beat 95% of all honda's in my jeep its not worth racing on a bike. I really dont know what to tell them, or how for that matter. Is there any site that has statistics on motorcycles?

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Old 10-30-03, 04:16 PM   #5
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I have been riding for 13 years on the street. A zx6r is not a good first bike if you want to be safe. You don't wnat to look up statistics if you want to talk your parents into letting you get a motorcycle. The best thing is go take the safety course and talk with the instructors. People all say that you can start on a fast bike if you are careful and this is true, but in college I told my friend he would do fine on a ZX7 and now he is dead so please consider looking at another bike.

On a lighter note they are the most fun you can have on the street jsut be careful.

Stay Safe
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Old 10-30-03, 06:24 PM   #6
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I found this thread interesting since I too just got into motorcycles this summer. MattC is right,
a zx6r is way too much to start w/. I came close to buying that same bike but changed my mind
after researching them. I'm glad I didn't get it. While you're learning there will be a few times that
you accidentily give it to much throttle. On a bike like that, you're asking for trouble to start with. Check
out www.beginnerbikes.com. They have some great recommendations on bikes to start out with.
They are a blast but you have to be careful with them.
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Old 10-31-03, 09:18 AM   #7
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Well,

I used to motorcycle and quit. I have known too many people that died or ended up paralyzed etc. from the activity.

I agree with what others have said, if you insist on getting a bike, get something slower for a first bike.

Also, after you have been on the bike a couple of months you might decide you know how to ride, you dont. Wait until you have 2-5k miles on a bike on the street before you even think of pushing it.

Also, there is no way to convince your parents a motorcycle is as safe as a bicycle unless you lie like a rug. Riding a motorcycle on the street in traffic is about the most dangerous activity there is.

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Old 10-31-03, 10:17 AM   #8
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I'm not a motorbiker, in fact I've never ridden one, but if I was in the market for a beginner bike I'd check out a Suzuki SV-650. Not as much power as the I4s and lighter so it should be easier to learn on. Plus they are quite afordable as far as sport bikes go.
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Old 10-31-03, 10:26 AM   #9
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Ross

Motorcycles can be a lot of fun but as folks have said here be careful! Motorcycles are not inherently dangerious but like airplanes, boats,... they are totally unforgiving of ignorant or careless acts. Even for a second take classes ride in the dirt for a while.

What Jester69 said about after you've ridden a little and thinking you know how. That is a well known fact from avation if you look at when accidents occur it's not the new rider/flyer it's at the couple of hundered hour point. So take another safety class when you think you don't need it.

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Old 03-18-09, 02:55 PM   #10
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I say throw caution to the winds.
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Hopefully I can save you some money, maybe save your life....

I grew up racing Motocross, and raced 250 semi-pro in high school, 35 years ago...got hurt and started bicycling racing for 15 years, and another 20 years of serious bicycling on top of that.

I bought a SV-650s a couple of years ago.....it is considered a good starter bike, but with enough power to keep you happy, assuming you survive the first year. I never fell, never crashed, never got hit....but have several occasions where had I blinked or looked away I would have been hit by people running lights, turning in front of me, etc. I could have been real dead. I kept riding my road bicycle during the 2 years I had the SV650. In the end I realized that cycling was more fun and more of a challenge than riding the motorcycle even on world famous roads like nearby Palomar Mountain.

Modern sportbike are so fast and corner so well, that riding at even "semi-legal" speeds on the public roads is boring, assuming you have good skills. Many newbies don't have good skills why insurace on a $10,000 supersport bike can be over $1500/year for a new rider. Unless you want to pay to go ride at a track day, and risk falling at 50 to 130 mph, then riding on the street isn't that exciting after the newness wears off.

Save your money, IMHO. Been their done that.

Assuming you buy the bike anyway, take and pass a MSF class, buy a good jacket, pants, boots, gloves, and helmet before you riding. If you buy new plan on spending about $1000 just for the gear.
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Old 03-18-09, 03:42 PM   #13
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Whatever you get, understand the concept and execution of countersteering, or you will really get into trouble. Especially the first time you get on the highway and run straight off the road at 90+ because you couldn't turn the bike into a corner.
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I say buy a one liter Japanese sport bike capable of 150+ mph and learn to ride it in the rain.
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Ive ridden since '75, from Scooters to Harleys and here are my boorish observations:

Motorcycles are nowhere near as safe as your bike.....Things happen real fast

You WILL fall/drop bike at some point, hopefully its doing something silly, like backing
into a parking space and not going wide at 65mph.....

Sportbikes are the most useless MC's in the food chain. Uncomfortable for long
periods and definitely NOT nimble in most real life road circumstances......

I would suggest the best kept secret in Motorcycling, a boring, ugly DR650
You will toast all the sportbike kiddies on a back road, at least keep KTM tailites
in view on the trail and dart in and out of traffic like a little water flea on
a triple latte

You will never learn proper bike handling skills on a 4 cylinder bike as a first.
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Just came back from riding my 185 Kawasaki - which is what they call a ranch bike, sort of comfortable dirt bike. I have never had it on pavement. Just about right on power for me since I just want to cruise around looking at great scenery, and the roads here at times resemble motocross.

I just started riding this last year, and I am nearly 50. In all honesty, I find it very easy, but I started slow. My suggestion is this: start with starting, stopping and turning at low speeds, when you get REALLY good (i.e. you can do it automatically) you can increase your speed.

This is something you do with climbing trees. We have a phrase "slow and low" You start off climbing slowly and not very high so that if you get into trouble, you survive. Save the dangerous stuff for when you need to get out of a jam.

One study I read said that up to 40 kilometers a helmet will help, after that, you pretty much are into luck. Also NEVER NEVER NEVER drink and ride a motorcycle, unless you have a death wish. This is what kills many people. I know it sounds incredibly stupid - but people do drink and ride a motorcycle.

If you are young, please understand you are not immortal - we who are older get this really well - except for Patentcad who is a alien...
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Whatever you get, understand the concept and execution of countersteering, or you will really get into trouble. Especially the first time you get on the highway and run straight off the road at 90+ because you couldn't turn the bike into a corner.
A couple summers ago a guy was riding his brand spanking new Harley home from the dealer. Forgot how to turn it on an interstate ramp and lost it over the side. I think he made it 13 miles from the dealership before he killed himself. First time on a motorcycle.

Take the msf course. When I took it there were a couple people they failed. One rider was so bad I didn't want to be near him during the riding drills.

Fun, dangerous activity.
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I did the motorcycle thing a couple of years back.

The track is by far the most fun you will ever have. It actually really calms down your street riding, because once you go on the track, and realize how fast you can go around corners and how far you can lean the bike, you realize that doing anything like that on the street is just suicide.

Then, I got hit head-on by an SUV when I was doing everything right, it was completely the SUV's fault, who then of course fled the scene, and after that I basically gave up riding the road.

I did go back to the track once, and fell off at about 70 to 90 mph, when a guy pushed me wide coming out of the corner and off the track. Some broken ribs and about 20 minutes of amnesia, but otherwise none the worse for wear.

I kind of lost interest in motorcycling because I didn't like riding the road and wasn't that good on the track. And my bike, a Ducati 750 F1 is impossible to get parts for, and it's been languishing in the carport ever since.
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I want a motorcycle myself, but I'm not going to buy one until I take the MSF courses, and buy myself some generic bike that can take laydown when I do something stupid.

After a couple hundred hours on the road, then I'll buy something like a BMW tourer, once I am decent enough I'm not going to plop the thing over due to pure braindeadness.

Oh, advice from friends who do ride:

Buy good leathers. Kevlar stuff, not just a leather jacket and an open faced helm. The cost for premium crash gear is a LOT cheaper than a new knee or a rebuilt face.
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This, and my Aprilia Scarabeo 500 maxi-scooter satisfies my motorcycle needs.
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Get a muffler.
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I agree that the zx's are a lot of bike for a first one. But, that said, if you're going to be very conservative while you learn to ride it and motorcycles in general, you'd probably be OK.

They're similiar in some ways to riding bicycles, but very different in many others. Don't let the fact that you can ride a bicycle lull you into a false sense of confidence about riding a motorcycle.

And the bottom line is the only way you can convince your parents that it's as safe as riding a bicycle is if they're total morons. It's not, pure and simple. People do ride millions of safe miles on them, but it's because they're driven by good riders, not because it's as safe as riding a bicycle.
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